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"Remove ABCD from Email address to reply" <neil154ABCD[at]earthlink.net> wrote
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Why did you have to add the bills back in? If you had the bills in the
prior version, it should have been included in the 07 version upon
conversion.

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Neil


"Rod" <dont[at]email.me> wrote in message
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FYI... I went in and re-edited each bill and clicked ok, this time
saying 'yes' to add it to the budget. This made no difference in
Money's startup time.

-Rod

The % seems to be dependent on size: 30 went to 20, and 150 went to 125

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Michael Gordon
MVP


"Rod" <dont[at]email.me> wrote in message
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Michael Gordon, MVP wrote:
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My file shrunk about 12%.

-Rod

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I added the bills back in there (about 20 of them) and startup
performance remained excellent. It only went up from 5 seconds to about
7 seconds. Definitely better than the 35+ seconds I generally have to
wait in order to use Money.

When adding the bills it prompted me if I wanted to add them to the
budget.. I said 'no' since I don't use the budget feature. Not sure if
saying 'yes' would affect performance or not.

Looks like I may upgrade to 2007 after all.

-Rod

The reduction is before the bills-be-gone thing; that's next for me, but I
expect to see an improvement in performance even if I don't see one in
datasize. My understanding is that it does more than remove bills: it should
get rid of junk that can't be easily removed anyway. It should improve
stability and -- as well -- improve performance for a lot of activities
(such as reports) which accessed the bills list.

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Michael Gordon
MVP


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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BTW, it's not past bill data--in the sense of transactions entered in
registers--that you are deleting. The transactions in the account registers
remain just fine. It's the scheduled "bills & deposits" "bills summary"
"advanced bills" for future entry you are deleting. I think (prior msg) that
nuking these nukes an association between these and the entries they spawned
in the register, but have not proven this.

"Andrew" <justme[at]nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Well, it probably means that the show bill paid mapping from prior
transaction entries to the scheduled item that entered it would be lost. (At
least I think they track this association somehow.) Since I rarely use that,
it's not a big factor in my equation of cost/benefit for going through this
compared to the marked increase in performance I saw after flushing them.
The BIG Q is if performance will stay so much better after I work my way
through re-entering 100+ of them.

"Andrew" <justme[at]nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I am not quite following this Bill deletion/removal thread. If you remove
your Bill data ( I assume past Bill data) doesn't that cause issues with
your past data for those Bill's?

Thanks


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I saw a reduction but of the 5% range. More testing to do re. this
nuke-the-bills thing.

"Michael Gordon, MVP" <gordonm[at]denison.edu> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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Sorting the register(s) by order of entry could facilitate that a
tad.

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Several to many of my scheduled items have no representative instance in the
registers. Paychecks, for instances, are setup with splits to cover a
superset of all of the things that show up over the year. Many weeks I
delete some lines that are zero in the scheduled item but kept in the
scheduled item to "remember" the categorization/tab treatment for such a
thing. I also have transactions that are in the scheduled items just for
cashflow projection purposes but are never entered in registers. These
include things like fake paychecks setup for a limited number and special
starting dates to wedge in the category adjustments for the last several
weeks of the year when I hope to go over the FICA cap. These types of
scheduled items are one of the ways I get good cashflow projection and get
good tax estimator results.

For people following the thread, one workaround to this case is to Enter the
"template" transaction in to the register, blow away the bills, go find all
of the template transactions in the registers, r-click add them back to
bills, then delete the temporarily stored transaction.

It's still a lot of work and some stuff will still get lost and need
re-creation by hand.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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I'm seeing a significant reduction in the size of datafiles (~30%); I don't
know if it will persist.

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Michael Gordon
MVP


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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You might try going to your register and selecting a representative
instance of your past bill and selecting "Make Recurring" (Ctrl+E).

This could simplify re-entering your bills after running the
File-> Repair-> RemoveBillsData -- especially for those with splits.

In microsoft.public.money, Rod wrote:

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You might try going to your register and selecting a representative
instance of your past bill and selecting "Make Recurring" (Ctrl+E).

This could simplify re-entering your bills after running the
File-> Repair-> RemoveBillsData.

comments inline.

"Rod" <dont[at]email.me> wrote in message
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In the little amount I've done, it does seem overall faster. But without the
bills, there's very little worth doing and I haven't spent more than a few
minutes with the file that's in this state.

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I noted your negative outcome on that test. I'll eagerly await a report
about what happens if/when you put the bills back in.

Like you, success with that case would probably sell me a copy of M07. But I
only want to do that ONCE, so I have to work out a strategy first. (Catch up
with the week's backlog of entry, then re-upgrade the "best" M04 file, then
undo all of the upgrade mangling, then re-do the nuke-the-bills "repair",
then repair the damage that does--maybe it'll rain all weekend and I'll have
nothing better to do, AND THEN do some more dual trial work?)

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I deleted all my bills and Money 2006 initialization time did not
improve at all. This might be a good sign... it may mean that 2007's
"clear bills" feature does a bit more than simply clearing out your
bills. Maybe it clears out other cruft as well that kills performance.

Later today I will try to add the bills back in there and see what
happens to performance. Hopefully it will stay fast. In that case I
may actually purchase the 2007 upgrade.

-Rod

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I'm in the same boat as you.. I am not sure if I want to go through the
effort of recreating all my bills just for this experiment. And I'm
wondering if it will only affect load time anyway. Besides initial load
time, it is hard for me to gauge actual performance of the application
during normal use since I am running 2007 it inside a VMware session.

What is your experience? Is Money snappier during normal use with all
the bill data cleared out? I can live with Money taking 35+ seconds to
initialize. But I may go through the effort of recreating all the bills
if performance improves throughout the application.

Now I'm off to test what happens when I manually remove all the bills
from Money 2006...

-Rod

Let me jump on another tail of this thread with part of my continuing M07
saga.

After my experiment, from the other branch of the thread, finally got done,
I observe the same thing. Just incredible performance gains. Is it FAST? No.
Is it way faster than it was? Yes. But I don't really know what to infer
from this.

I really can't say if the gain is across the whole app--though it looks
promising. The data is now so munged that I really can't use this file in
parallel testing with my M04 production machine/production data. I use the
feature heavily. I can't even get past today without having scheduled bills
to deal with.

Do I infer that I just shouldn't use the scheduled bills feature? Since I
manage to forecast cash flow, this seems pretty untenable to me.

Do I go spend a day or so recreating all of the bills hoping to find out
that it's still faster--thus concluding that I've eliminated some
"corruption" or something? (And if this is the case, I ask again: why can't
the app just fix this stuff by itself?) And if I put all this back in and
it's dog slow again, then what? The case above?

The effort it will take to recreate the bill is A LOT. I have 101 of them.
They total 335 split elements. 65 of these are classified. 184 of these have
memos associated.

I now have four M files will full (or almost full) sets of data. These seem
the only ones worth doing anything with. I have my M04 production
machine/production data file. The test machine has the M06 upgraded to M07
file that is what's left of my year long M06 extended dual entry trial. I
trust this one **almost** as much as the real file. The test machine also
has the M06 with bills removed file. As noted, this is like a car with 9/10s
of the body cut away to make it faster. Yes it's faster, but so what? It's
useless. But it took almost half an hour to get it there. I also have a copy
of the production file newly upgraded straight from M04 to M07. (More about
that elsewhere.) How do I get on with life? Try to maintain all four till I
figure out what really works best in M07? How do I do that with no bills in
one of them?

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