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Old 05-17-2006, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > I tried in my brokerage acct to sell more shares of a fund that I'd

> > already sold specific shares, and it's not an option in my brokerage
> > acct either. I'm doing something wrong - how do I get to the screen
> > with
> > the "sell specific shares" option ?
> > > I went back to original conversation about this on Mar 11:

> > http://groups.google.com/group/micro...02949744b0ccba
> > > and I haven't changed a thing since - but I'm not seeing the same

> > screens that I saw then.
> > Tools-> Options-> Investments-> TrackAllInvesmentsAsFIFO is still
> > cleared.
> > In a Money 2006 test file, I did an exercise in an IRA and in a

> non-IRA. I got the pop-up in the non-IRA and not in the IRA. Same
> file settings. Same fund.
> You could probably work around this by de-selecting
> RetirementAccount in the account settings, do the sell, and then
> re-select RetirementAccount; I did not test that.

But now I'm not getting the option in my non-IRA either ( above). I
entered a fake sale there for a fund that I HAVE sold specific shares
before ( and others). I can " View Lots" but that's all. I have to fix
WHY my non-IRA brokerage account no longer gives me the option. So all I
need is > > Tools-> Options-> Investments-> TrackAllInvesmentsAsFIFO to be
cleared and I should have that option to choose lots, correct ?
I'll try to undo IRA setting , then set it back with a copy of the file
(just in case I get a " this cannot be undone" message)

Thanks.

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Old 05-16-2006, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: M2004 - "lots" in IRA account ? NO

Update: To choose specific lots it must NOT be a Retirement account.
"- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:l2ec629013o3kjbutmg493a7o9oadea91l[at]4ax.com...
> > In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > > > > I tried in my brokerage acct to sell more shares of a fund that I'd
> > > already sold specific shares, and it's not an option in my brokerage
> > > acct either. I'm doing something wrong - how do I get to the screen
> > > with
> > > the "sell specific shares" option ?
> > > > > I went back to original conversation about this on Mar 11:
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/micro...02949744b0ccba
> > > > > and I haven't changed a thing since - but I'm not seeing the same
> > > screens that I saw then.
> > > Tools-> Options-> Investments-> TrackAllInvesmentsAsFIFO is still
> > > cleared.
> > > > > In a Money 2006 test file, I did an exercise in an IRA and in a

> > non-IRA. I got the pop-up in the non-IRA and not in the IRA. Same
> > file settings. Same fund.
> > > You could probably work around this by de-selecting

> > RetirementAccount in the account settings, do the sell, and then
> > re-select RetirementAccount; I did not test that.
> > But now I'm not getting the option in my non-IRA either ( above). I

> entered a fake sale there for a fund that I HAVE sold specific shares
> before ( and others). I can " View Lots" but that's all. I have to fix
> WHY my non-IRA brokerage account no longer gives me the option. So all
> I need is > > Tools-> Options-> Investments-> TrackAllInvesmentsAsFIFO to
> be cleared and I should have that option to choose lots, correct ?
> I'll try to undo IRA setting , then set it back with a copy of the
> file (just in case I get a " this cannot be undone" message)
> Thanks.

What I see when I change account from IRA to non-IRA :
I unchecked " Retirement Account" and got a warning:
" Will not be able to use Update Retirement Account Wizard. Any current
info entered via the wizard will be lost. Click Ok."
I then noticed another box appeared on the account details - below the
retirement account checkbox named " Tax Deferred". I unchecked that.
Then viewed portfolio,
1. I checked the account to make sure that " Actual Cost Basis" is still
my selection ( It was prior to all of this) It is.
2. clicked the + next to one of the sold funds to see the entries. (
will do one as a test)
3. scrolled to the Sell entry and right-clicked on it.
4. I now see reallocate lots as an option - Good.
5. I selected Reallocate Lots and then I see that it is now set to " Use
default method - FIFO for stocks or Avg Cost Basis for mutuals funds".
( Even though I have " Actual Cost Basis" selected for the account and
the fund name). I changed to " Let me choose which shares ..." and
clicked Next, and for this test, I chose "Max Gain"- it selected the
shares.
6. Back to the main Portfolio screen and I do see that the GAIN column
has changed by ~$200.
7 Close Money. Reopen the test file
8. Change the account back to Retirement- select IRA. Get the " Now you
can use the Update Wizard" message.
9. Back to Portfolio screen and the Gain reflects my lots being
selected ( still ~$200 difference in gain ) , but I can't tell otherwise
as the LOTS option is no longer a choice. Now I'll go enter all my
lots info for my sales.

Also, I tried Planner - Purchase Wizard (came across that via help for
the lots issue) and it only shows Non-retirement accounts. While both
were non-ira's it listed all holdings and "lots" of each - nice. Like
Office , it seems there a lot of neat stuff in here that I've never used
before.

Now I'll go check balances and enter all my lots info for my sales in
this IRA.
BUT for one of my 401k's I've used the Update wizard a lot, so I can't
do this as I would lose a lot of info where I just entered my total
shares and it did a " Add shares". I'll deal with it later.

Bobb

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Old 05-13-2006, 08:33 PM
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Default RE: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

oops - you had already checked that. nevermind.

"ameridan" wrote:

- quote -

> I'm thinking you may have your FIFO option enabled.
> Tools> Settings> Investment Settings> Track all investments as FIFO. Hope this
> helps.
> "- Bobb -" wrote:
> > I know taxes aren't an issue in an IRA, but for the first time in a
> > long time I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> > the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an option
> > to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> > column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I don't
> > have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've sold
> > in my IRA. I checked the past entries but it was always a sale of the
> > whole postion so LOTS didn't matter. In my regular account, "Lots "
> > worked a few months ago. I just opened the register for that sale and I
> > can "reallocate lots", so the function works. But does it work for
> > non-taxable accounts ? I tried Money HELP but no mention either way .
> > > Thanks,

> > Bobb
> > >
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Old 05-13-2006, 07:52 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:

- quote -

> I tried in my brokerage acct to sell more shares of a fund that I'd
> already sold specific shares, and it's not an option in my brokerage
> acct either. I'm doing something wrong - how do I get to the screen with
> the "sell specific shares" option ?
> I went back to original conversation about this on Mar 11:
> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...02949744b0ccba
> and I haven't changed a thing since - but I'm not seeing the same
> screens that I saw then.
> Tools-> Options-> Investments-> TrackAllInvesmentsAsFIFO is still cleared.


In a Money 2006 test file, I did an exercise in an IRA and in a
non-IRA. I got the pop-up in the non-IRA and not in the IRA. Same
file settings. Same fund.

You could probably work around this by de-selecting
RetirementAccount in the account settings, do the sell, and then
re-select RetirementAccount; I did not test that.

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Old 05-13-2006, 07:33 PM
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Default RE: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

I'm thinking you may have your FIFO option enabled.
Tools> Settings> Investment Settings> Track all investments as FIFO. Hope this
helps.

"- Bobb -" wrote:

- quote -

> I know taxes aren't an issue in an IRA, but for the first time in a
> long time I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an option
> to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I don't
> have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've sold
> in my IRA. I checked the past entries but it was always a sale of the
> whole postion so LOTS didn't matter. In my regular account, "Lots "
> worked a few months ago. I just opened the register for that sale and I
> can "reallocate lots", so the function works. But does it work for
> non-taxable accounts ? I tried Money HELP but no mention either way .
> Thanks,
> Bobb

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Old 05-13-2006, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

Cal,

I tried in my brokerage acct to sell more shares of a fund that I'd
already sold specific shares, and it's not an option in my brokerage
acct either. I'm doing something wrong - how do I get to the screen with
the "sell specific shares" option ?

I went back to original conversation about this on Mar 11:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...02949744b0ccba

and I haven't changed a thing since - but I'm not seeing the same
screens that I saw then.
Tools-> Options-> Investments-> TrackAllInvesmentsAsFIFO is still cleared.


Bobb
==============

"- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message
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- quote -

> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:h0na62lukk572fjunbr9f4biidhb89htp7[at]4ax.com...
> > In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> > > news:0r8a62tk948o9pjk4lhica535cs4tcsc9u[at]4ax.com...
> > > > In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > > > I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> > > > > the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an
> > > > > option
> > > > > to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> > > > > column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've
> > > > > sold
> > > > > in my IRA.
> > > > > > > Is this a mutual fund? If so, each fund could have a Cost Basis
> > > > other than Actual Cost Basis. You can change that in the investment
> > > > details.
> > > > > Yes , I sold 5 Funds and got no checkbox for "Select lots" - just the
> > > register view. So I entered the data and then highlighted the entry -
> > > click on ' More Investment Data " box, and I have an option to only
> > > VIEW
> > > LOTS. In my "non-ira account", when I do that for a sale entry, I
> > > have
> > > an option to " Reallocate Lots" ( meaning that I DID in fact choose
> > > the
> > > lots) . Here I never get the option.
> > > These are not complicated entries - some had 3 buys and this is first
> > > sale. I have them all as 'Actual Cost Basis'.
> > > What did I ( not) do to NOT get the lots prompt ?
> > > I suspect you did not go to the investment details and choose Cost

> > Basis: Actual Cost Basis for each fund. I am thinking that if you
> > did that, then voided each sell, and started un-voiding, then Money
> > would ask. I did not actually test that tho.
> > > I have not tried

> Cal,
> Yes I checked that . I have Actual Cost Basis selected for all of my
> sold funds in all accounts.
> What I'll do is create a few buy of the same funds followed by sales
> in my non-IRA's. If it works in my Brokerage account and not in my
> IRA acccounts, then not giving me the lots option in IRA is the fact
> that it's a non-taxable account so neither Money ( nor Fidelity) care
> about lots in IRA's. Again it's academic, but on paper I'd like to
> sell the "old stuff" that I bought at $11, $12 a share that is
> currently $27. It would give me more info when I look at gain over
> next year or so . Currently I show big gains on a lot of stuff when
> the "real gain" happened years ago. ( Although if the market keeps up
> like Thursday + Friday selloffs, gains might not be an issue)
> I'll let you know how it goes in my non-ira's vs ira accounts
> Bobb


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Old 05-13-2006, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message

> > news:0r8a62tk948o9pjk4lhica535cs4tcsc9u[at]4ax.com...
> > > In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > > I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> > > > the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an
> > > > option
> > > > to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> > > > column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I
> > > > don't
> > > > have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've
> > > > sold
> > > > in my IRA.
> > > > > Is this a mutual fund? If so, each fund could have a Cost Basis
> > > other than Actual Cost Basis. You can change that in the investment
> > > details.
> > > Yes , I sold 5 Funds and got no checkbox for "Select lots" - just the

> > register view. So I entered the data and then highlighted the entry -
> > click on ' More Investment Data " box, and I have an option to only
> > VIEW
> > LOTS. In my "non-ira account", when I do that for a sale entry, I have
> > an option to " Reallocate Lots" ( meaning that I DID in fact choose
> > the
> > lots) . Here I never get the option.
> > These are not complicated entries - some had 3 buys and this is first
> > sale. I have them all as 'Actual Cost Basis'.
> > What did I ( not) do to NOT get the lots prompt ?

> I suspect you did not go to the investment details and choose Cost
> Basis: Actual Cost Basis for each fund. I am thinking that if you
> did that, then voided each sell, and started un-voiding, then Money
> would ask. I did not actually test that tho.
> I have not tried


Cal,

Yes I checked that . I have Actual Cost Basis selected for all of my
sold funds in all accounts. ( In January I noticed that Money was using
avg cost on a few that I did not have when I first setup the Money file.
I went thru them all so that I COULD easily align with my Tax Return. I
did double-check - each of the funds sold are Actual Cost Basis. )

What I'll do is create a few buy of the same funds followed by sales in
my non-IRA's. If it works in my Brokerage account and not in my IRA
acccounts, then not giving me the lots option in IRA is the fact that
it's a non-taxable account so neither Money ( nor Fidelity) care about
lots in IRA's. Again it's academic, but on paper I'd like to sell the
"old stuff" that I bought at $11, $12 a share that is currently $27. It
would give me more info when I look at gain over next year or so .
Currently I show big gains on a lot of stuff when the "real gain"
happened years ago. ( Although if the market keeps up like Thursday +
Friday selloffs, gains might not be an issue)

I'll let you know how it goes in my non-ira's vs ira accounts

Bobb

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Old 05-13-2006, 04:13 AM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:

- quote -

> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:0r8a62tk948o9pjk4lhica535cs4tcsc9u[at]4ax.com...
> > In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > > I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> > > the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an
> > > option
> > > to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> > > column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I don't
> > > have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've
> > > sold
> > > in my IRA.
> > > Is this a mutual fund? If so, each fund could have a Cost Basis

> > other than Actual Cost Basis. You can change that in the investment
> > details.

> Yes , I sold 5 Funds and got no checkbox for "Select lots" - just the
> register view. So I entered the data and then highlighted the entry -
> click on ' More Investment Data " box, and I have an option to only VIEW
> LOTS. In my "non-ira account", when I do that for a sale entry, I have
> an option to " Reallocate Lots" ( meaning that I DID in fact choose the
> lots) . Here I never get the option.
> These are not complicated entries - some had 3 buys and this is first
> sale. I have them all as 'Actual Cost Basis'.
> What did I ( not) do to NOT get the lots prompt ?


I suspect you did not go to the investment details and choose Cost
Basis: Actual Cost Basis for each fund. I am thinking that if you
did that, then voided each sell, and started un-voiding, then Money
would ask. I did not actually test that tho.



I have not tried
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Old 05-13-2006, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
> > I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> > the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an
> > option
> > to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> > column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I don't
> > have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've
> > sold
> > in my IRA.

> Is this a mutual fund? If so, each fund could have a Cost Basis
> other than Actual Cost Basis. You can change that in the investment
> details.


Yes , I sold 5 Funds and got no checkbox for "Select lots" - just the
register view. So I entered the data and then highlighted the entry -
click on ' More Investment Data " box, and I have an option to only VIEW
LOTS. In my "non-ira account", when I do that for a sale entry, I have
an option to " Reallocate Lots" ( meaning that I DID in fact choose the
lots) . Here I never get the option.
These are not complicated entries - some had 3 buys and this is first
sale. I have them all as 'Actual Cost Basis'.
What did I ( not) do to NOT get the lots prompt ?

Thanks,
Bobb

 
Old 05-13-2006, 12:09 AM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:

- quote -

> I know taxes aren't an issue in an IRA, but for the first time in a
> long time I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
> the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an option
> to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
> column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I don't
> have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've sold
> in my IRA.


Is this a mutual fund? If so, each fund could have a Cost Basis
other than Actual Cost Basis. You can change that in the investment
details.


- quote -

> I checked the past entries but it was always a sale of the
> whole postion so LOTS didn't matter. In my regular account, "Lots "
> worked a few months ago. I just opened the register for that sale and I
> can "reallocate lots", so the function works. But does it work for
> non-taxable ac

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Old 05-11-2006, 11:42 PM
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Default M2004 - Can I sell "lots" in IRA account ?

I know taxes aren't an issue in an IRA, but for the first time in a
long time I sold some stuff earlier this week in my IRA. AND it was not
the entire position. When I enter it into Money, I do not get an option
to select the lots ( just so I can see " how I'm doing" in the GAIN
column). I right-click - SELL - and no option to choose lots. I don't
have FIFO selected and this is the first time in a while that I've sold
in my IRA. I checked the past entries but it was always a sale of the
whole postion so LOTS didn't matter. In my regular account, "Lots "
worked a few months ago. I just opened the register for that sale and I
can "reallocate lots", so the function works. But does it work for
non-taxable accounts ? I tried Money HELP but no mention either way .

Thanks,
Bobb


 

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