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Old 03-20-2006, 03:57 AM
arthur
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In theory and by fact a cash dividend is a reduction to the net worth
of a company.

If you give me 100 to invest and at the end of the year I did not make
any money such that I still have 100 and give you 10 then I have 90 to
invest for you. You still have the 100 investment except that I have
90 and you have 10. Therefore...

On ex Dividend date the 100 investment is now worth 90 as 10 will be
given back to the owners. Therefore you invested 10 x .90 or 9
dollars as though you had received the 10 cents and purchased
additional 90cent stock.

I am not saying Mny is correct but it sounds like you may not
understand the null effect of dividends. The stock will open down the
amount of the dividend on the ex dividend day. And please do not try
to quote me the Liberial speak on the matter.

arthur
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:20:10 +0000 (UTC), arnstein[at]panix.com (David
Arnstein) wrote:
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> Now here is my experiment. In Microsoft Money 2006 Premium, I entered
> two transactions:
> 1. Buy 100 shares of Phonet, price $1.00/share, on 2005-01-01.
> 2. Reinvest divideond of Phonet, price $1.00/share, 10 shares, on
> 2005-12-31

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Old 03-19-2006, 11:28 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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In microsoft.public.money, David Arnstein wrote:

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> This reproduces the bug: The statistic "Return for Period" is exactly
> double what it should be. I believe that this is a dollar amount, not
> a percentage figure. Also interesting is that "% Rate of Return" is a
> completely nonsensical 9.09%. Finally, the "Annual % Return" is almost
> perfectly correct: 10.03% instead of 10.0%.


The portfolio view does not have that bug.

See ChangePortfolioView-> CustomizeCurrentView-> PortfolioColumns and
you will find many useful columns.

If you do a SaveAs, you can have various custom views to select
from.

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Old 03-19-2006, 11:20 PM
David Arnstein
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In article <72or1210tfmb69ff4j12id3u60p6cq8706[at]4ax.com> ,
Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote:
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> However
> http://groups.google.com/group/micro...6ae25d49c13b9b
> describes the problem better. For some reason, the original From:
> Elliot; Subject: Investment Performance; Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006
> 08:37:31 -0800 posting does not show on the thread.


That is the thread that I just finished reading. Thank you! I noticed
Marcia contributed to that one.

Now here is my experiment. In Microsoft Money 2006 Premium, I entered
two transactions:
1. Buy 100 shares of Phonet, price $1.00/share, on 2005-01-01.
2. Reinvest divideond of Phonet, price $1.00/share, 10 shares, on
2005-12-31

This should be a gain of 10% for the entire year of 2005. I ran a MS
Money report titled "Performance by Investment Type." I selected the
time period "2005-01-01 to 2005-12-31" The report generated these
statistics:
Value on 2004-12-31: 0.00
Value on 2005-12-31: 110.00
Cost Basis: 110.00
Realized Gain/Loss: 0.00
Return for Period: 20.00
% Rate of Return: 9.09
Annual % Return: 10.03

This reproduces the bug: The statistic "Return for Period" is exactly
double what it should be. I believe that this is a dollar amount, not
a percentage figure. Also interesting is that "% Rate of Return" is a
completely nonsensical 9.09%. Finally, the "Annual % Return" is almost
perfectly correct: 10.03% instead of 10.0%.

Thanks to Marcia and Cal for bringing this to my attention. I just
switched from Quicken to Money. God help me now!
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Old 03-19-2006, 09:56 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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In microsoft.public.money, David Arnstein wrote:

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> In article <726C38C8-668A-4186-9753-25E840539287[at]microsoft.com> ,
> Marcia <Marcia[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > I have spent two months trying to get this issue resolved and I finally got
> > a response from Microsoft. I do not believe the issue will be fixed in Money
> > 2006 but maybe in future releases. Very frustrating.

> I could not find your issue in Google Groups, and I am interested in
> it. Did you post under a different name or subject?
> If you don't want to repost your details to the ng, I would appreciate
> it if you would just email me the original problem report. Thank you!


http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4c889420736a76
is one instance.

However
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...6ae25d49c13b9b
describes the problem better. For some reason, the original From:
Elliot; Subject: Investment Performance; Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006
08:37:31 -0800 posting does not show on the thread.



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Old 03-19-2006, 09:36 PM
David Arnstein
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In article <726C38C8-668A-4186-9753-25E840539287[at]microsoft.com> ,
Marcia <Marcia[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
- quote -

> I have spent two months trying to get this issue resolved and I finally got
> a response from Microsoft. I do not believe the issue will be fixed in Money
> 2006 but maybe in future releases. Very frustrating.


I could not find your issue in Google Groups, and I am interested in
it. Did you post under a different name or subject?

If you don't want to repost your details to the ng, I would appreciate
it if you would just email me the original problem report. Thank you!
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arnstein+usenet[at]pobox.com | http://www.bluesecurity.com
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Old 03-19-2006, 08:31 PM
arthur
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This and other nntp groups are shadowed by google groups so any http
browser will work not to mention its powerful search. Personally I
use freeAgent by forteinc mostly.

arthur
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:56:27 -0800, Marcia
<Marcia[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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> users. My bad. Also, I tried many times to get onto the server and it was
> down - making it even harder for me to see if anyone was responding to my
> many messages.

 
Old 03-19-2006, 05:25 PM
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"Marcia" <Marcia[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:726C38C8-668A-4186-9753-25E840539287[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> First, I do owe a BIG APOLOGY to those on this message board.

Apology accepted.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be fixed. Worse bugs than that have
existed in Money for multiple versions. That is not to say things don't get
fixed. They do, but maybe not the things important to you, or in the order
you prefer.

I've been using Money for years and am satisfied. I just learn to live with
or work around the bugs that affect me.
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Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL



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Old 03-19-2006, 04:56 PM
Marcia
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First, I do owe a BIG APOLOGY to those on this message board. I was under
the impression that this was a Microsoft "Help" board comprised of MS people.
I was obviously wrong. It's people helping people.

I have spent two months trying to get this issue resolved and I finally got
a response from Microsoft. I do not believe the issue will be fixed in Money
2006 but maybe in future releases. Very frustrating.

So, here is the response from Microsoft and again, I do apologize as I did
not realize this was a message board simply for the use and benefit of MS
users. My bad. Also, I tried many times to get onto the server and it was
down - making it even harder for me to see if anyone was responding to my
many messages.

---------------------------

Dear Marcia,

Thank you for getting back to me. First, I apologize for the inconvenience the
issue has caused.

I have consulted my technical lead about this issue and I am sorry to say that
at present this issue cannot be resolved. Please be assured that our Product
Group is fully aware of the issue, and they are working hard on getting the
issue resolved as soon as possible. I appreciate your time and patience on
this matter.

Also, I have added your email address to my contact list. I will keep you
updated if there is any possible resolution.

As we are limited to keeping cases open too long without active
troubleshooting,
for your convenience, I would like to temporarily close this case as Not
Resolved. However, if you have any other problems or concerns about Money in
the future, please don't hastate to let me know, as it's my pleasure to be of
assistance.

At the same time, we welcome your additional comments and suggestions about
our support processes, products, Support Professionals and how we can improve
your support experience, since your satisfaction is critical to us. Please
feel free
to send any feedback to my manager, Cherry,
at v-30chga[at]mssupport.microsoft.com. My manager will get back to you as soon
as possible.

Again, thank you for your time and contacting Microsoft Online Service
Support.


Best Regards,

 

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