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Old 03-12-2006, 10:12 PM
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Yes thanks.


"Chris Cowles" <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:O$%23hsthRGHA.252[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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> "- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:%23IVsxEfRGHA.2532[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Family just bought a condo in Florida. It has free wireless internet BUT
> > it's 802.11b not 802.11g,
> > so it's not secure. ( and they can't change it for now ) Here's their
> > question ...

> Regardless of medium, I believe Money uses 128bit encryption from server to
> client. Does that provide some comfort?
> --
> Chris Cowles
> Gainesville, FL

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Old 03-12-2006, 09:12 PM
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It does indeed use 128 bit encryption.

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"Chris Cowles" <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:%23IVsxEfRGHA.2532[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Family just bought a condo in Florida. It has free wireless internet BUT
> > it's 802.11b not 802.11g,
> > so it's not secure. ( and they can't change it for now ) Here's their
> > question ...

> Regardless of medium, I believe Money uses 128bit encryption from server
> to client. Does that provide some comfort?
> --
> Chris Cowles
> Gainesville, FL



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Old 03-12-2006, 08:24 PM
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"- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message
news:%23IVsxEfRGHA.2532[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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> Family just bought a condo in Florida. It has free wireless internet BUT
> it's 802.11b not 802.11g,
> so it's not secure. ( and they can't change it for now ) Here's their
> question ...


Regardless of medium, I believe Money uses 128bit encryption from server to
client. Does that provide some comfort?
--
Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL



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Old 03-12-2006, 05:13 PM
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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in message news:egVmrXfRGHA.4956[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
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> Thoughts? Sure.
> .B is not arbitrarily less secure than .G. There are relatively secure ways to setup both, and there are relatively insecure
> ways.


Keep in mind this isn't me - I'm in Boston - they're doing this in Florida.
The condo network has no passwords etc - power up and you're on. The condo user has no control of setup.

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> I can't fathom why you think the server is "doing math" on your holdings because of the order the screen stuff
> redraws/recalculates.


The reason is: when I enter prices manually ( as I have to with my 401k account), the dollar value in " Today " is always blank.
It will update the total but not the "differences" between today and yesterday. How / why does " that math get done" only when
online and not offline ? I've purposely entered prices manually for a few days in a row and cannot see the daily dollar change for
those mutual funds in the Today column. Same thing when the 'Money server' was flaky a few months ago. I could enter the prices
manual but not see any change - until that server came back online. THEN that column got updated. What's different if it's all
local ?

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> If you are that nervous, enter the quotes by hand. Likewise, if you are that nervous, I'd be more concerned about having your
> machine on the .B WiFi in the first place, regardless of whether you use Money downloaded quotes or not. If someone exploits
> that path into your machine, the least of your problems will be the $50,000 holdings of XYZ.


That's exactly why I'm asking . I told them to do nothing confidential while on the network in that environment- and a hard-wire
connection in the condo isn't an option for them. Currently only the condo association has an account with the cable company - not
the individuals. I guess the condo folks figure that making the network secure and then giving out the password to everyone is the
same as no security.

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> You asked for my thoughts...

I did and I thank you for them as I could never figure why Money " can't do the math while offline" ( like Quicken for DOS could)

Bobb


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> "- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message news:%23IVsxEfRGHA.2532[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Family just bought a condo in Florida. It has free wireless internet BUT it's 802.11b not 802.11g, so it's not secure. ( and
> > they can't change it for now ) Here's their question ...
> > > When in Money you select UPDATE PRICES ONLINE, (not Connect to Broker) is any confidential info being transmitted ? I always

> > thought that the quotes server did just updates, but I'm not sure.
> > Here's why :
> > If it's "just updating the price" , then why doesn't the math for "Today's total change" and Gain etc change on my screen as
> > the price changes ? I've seen the price change data flash on the screen, and if the " Change " column was selected , it's
> > rearranged my funds - but not yet reflected the amount of change onscreen. Apparently their server isn't finished processing
> > price info for the day. It seems to " know something" but not done yet.
> > > Since Money doesn't "do the math locally" and apparently needs the server to modify the " Todays change" column, I'm assuming

> > that at some point your info is being transmitted. Maybe not account password but at least : the # of shares , share price and
> > by deduction the amount invested.
> > (Like price = 10, change = 1.50 , symbol=xyz, numbers of shares 5000 , total change 7500)
> > So someone capturing network packets would know that you have $50,000 of xyz .
> > What about confidential info - anything being broadcast while updating ?
> > > Any thoughts ?

>

 
Old 03-12-2006, 03:56 PM
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Thoughts? Sure.

..B is not arbitrarily less secure than .G. There are relatively secure ways
to setup both, and there are relatively insecure ways. A new .G probably has
better security, optimally used with WPA2, frequent rekeying, no SSID
broadcast, MAC access lists, no admin exposure, etc., than a first
generation .B with WEP. Neither can be said to be highly secure.

Just because the wireless transmission is "secure" doesn't mean that other
users of the shared wireless net cannot get the data once it comes
off-the-air. Any shared .G or .B in this type of environment will suffer
equal security exposure.

I can't fathom why you think the server is "doing math" on your holdings
because of the order the screen stuff redraws/recalculates. I haven't
sniffed the traffic--though I'm equipped to do so in more ways than one--but
I'd confidently bet that they don't waste the effort transmitting holdings
to a server just to get a quote and let the server do simple math the client
can readily do. (Assuming you are not linking MSN Portfolio, doing Sync with
the Web, etc.)

If you are that nervous, enter the quotes by hand. Likewise, if you are that
nervous, I'd be more concerned about having your machine on the .B WiFi in
the first place, regardless of whether you use Money downloaded quotes or
not. If someone exploits that path into your machine, the least of your
problems will be the $50,000 holdings of XYZ.

You asked for my thoughts...

"- Bobb -" <bobb[at]netscape.net> wrote in message
news:%23IVsxEfRGHA.2532[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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> Family just bought a condo in Florida. It has free wireless internet BUT
> it's 802.11b not 802.11g, so it's not secure. ( and they can't change it
> for now ) Here's their question ...
> When in Money you select UPDATE PRICES ONLINE, (not Connect to Broker) is
> any confidential info being transmitted ? I always thought that the quotes
> server did just updates, but I'm not sure.
> Here's why :
> If it's "just updating the price" , then why doesn't the math for "Today's
> total change" and Gain etc change on my screen as the price changes ? I've
> seen the price change data flash on the screen, and if the " Change "
> column was selected , it's rearranged my funds - but not yet reflected the
> amount of change onscreen. Apparently their server isn't finished
> processing price info for the day. It seems to " know something" but not
> done yet.
> Since Money doesn't "do the math locally" and apparently needs the server
> to modify the " Todays change" column, I'm assuming that at some point
> your info is being transmitted. Maybe not account password but at least :
> the # of shares , share price and by deduction the amount invested.
> (Like price = 10, change = 1.50 , symbol=xyz, numbers of shares 5000 ,
> total change 7500)
> So someone capturing network packets would know that you have $50,000 of
> xyz .
> What about confidential info - anything being broadcast while updating ?
> Any thoughts ?



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Old 03-12-2006, 03:22 PM
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Default Money secure over wireless ?

Family just bought a condo in Florida. It has free wireless internet BUT it's 802.11b not 802.11g, so it's not secure. ( and they
can't change it for now ) Here's their question ...

When in Money you select UPDATE PRICES ONLINE, (not Connect to Broker) is any confidential info being transmitted ? I always
thought that the quotes server did just updates, but I'm not sure.
Here's why :
If it's "just updating the price" , then why doesn't the math for "Today's total change" and Gain etc change on my screen as the
price changes ? I've seen the price change data flash on the screen, and if the " Change " column was selected , it's rearranged
my funds - but not yet reflected the amount of change onscreen. Apparently their server isn't finished processing price info for
the day. It seems to " know something" but not done yet.

Since Money doesn't "do the math locally" and apparently needs the server to modify the " Todays change" column, I'm assuming
that at some point your info is being transmitted. Maybe not account password but at least : the # of shares , share price and
by deduction the amount invested.
(Like price = 10, change = 1.50 , symbol=xyz, numbers of shares 5000 , total change 7500)
So someone capturing network packets would know that you have $50,000 of xyz .
What about confidential info - anything being broadcast while updating ?

Any thoughts ?

 

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