There might be a link between your Microsoft Money 2005 file and the Money
2006 "Portfolio" file on MSN Money.
It may have to do with a bad "jarmap" file as mentioned in the second item
at http://moneycentral.msn.com/pmquestions.asp about "My Portfolio is
constantly converting"
Especially since you mentioned that you had files numbering from 1 to 34.

-Mark

"JK-of-Indy" <JKofIndy[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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I am not sure that when you do the upgrade of a Money 2005 file from
the original release version to the 14.0.*.1105 version that it does
not produce a .m14 also when it ge. I was thinking it did, but I am
not sure.

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Fer sure.

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"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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Which begs the question: does the OP have two versions in play? A recent
reinstall? What, exactly? I'm willing to believe the OP that the version he
checked locally was M05. But I note:

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I don't know what a "online backup" is, perhaps because I don't do the
online thing.

I do think I know these two things:

1) *.M14 files get created by M05 .1105, or M06, upon upgrading an M05 <
..1005 file. Short of someone going and naming one that, there is no other
way these get there.

2) Files with names like name abc accounts34 Backup_2006-03-07_022635.mbf do
not get created by M05 in an offline environment. They do get created by M06
in an offline environment.

I must be missing something..........

In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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Good point! That's gotta be Money 2006.



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I'm not aware of M05 creating backups named like:

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Am I forgetting something about M05?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, JK-of-Indy wrote:

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Yes. Sorry. I got confused as to your version. I see that you were
clear in saying Money 2005.

*.mny are Money files (and as Mark pointed out) Moneycentral Deluxe
portfolio files.

*.mbf files are Money backup files, and an additional sequenced one
is made whenever you do a backup restore.


Here are my suggestions about how to handle backups for Money 2005:

In Tools-> Settings-> BackupOptions
I suggest checking
x Automatically backup to hard disk on exit
x Prompt me before backing up each time*
x Make my file small ...

Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your
latest backup (named differently from your earlier backups) to a
CDR. With XP, this can be a copy and paste operation. Otherwise
use the burning software that came with your CDR drive.

I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive also, in addition to
backing up to your hard drive. They typically act like a big
floppy. For a more automated way to make multiple backups, see
Glyn Simpson's method at http://money.mvps.org/backup.aspx


* This has two advantages. You can change the file name
occasionally. I like to pick a name something like money060211.
Then it is easy to change the name to have multiple backups. The
..mbf extension is automatic. The other advantage is that you can
choose "Don't Back Up, or you change your mind about exiting by
simply clicking the X in the upper right of the pop-up box.

Mark,
I did once navigate to the Portfolie area once.
That must have been wherein the mbf file got created.
Yet, I just got done using Money w/o going to MSN Money (at least as near
as I can tell), and now I notice that I have a
"<name> accounts.mny" file and a
"<name> Accounts Backup.mbf" file and a
"<name> accounts34.mny" file.
The first two are date and time stamped at one minute apart.
The third one is about 3 hours earlier...

And that leads me to these questions:

1. As I was using Money on my PC, did it automatically enter my MSN Money
Portfolio - behind the scenes - so to speak?

2. Are the 1st two files the ones I should consider active and can I
therefore
delete the rest?

3. Does Money do automatic,
behind the scenes, access to my online accounts even when I am not
actively running it? If so, could that be where the third file came from,
and if that is true, why the different file name template?

Again thanks for your advice and patience.
Jim

"Mark" wrote:

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Cal, Here is the latest...

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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it that allows me to select how many backup files to keep. Could this have
been
something new with M06?

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an option to backup every x days. Nor do I have the "keep only the
x most recent backup files.

So something seems really amiss...

Any further ideas please.
Thanks, Jim

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Do you use the Portfolio on MSN Money: http://moneycentral.msn.com ?
If so the Deluxe Porfolio saves the copies of the Portfolio as Money 2006
data files.

-Mark

"JK-of-Indy" <JKofIndy[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the input.
I verified my Money version and it is M05, not M06.
And this is the first time I ever used or had Money on my computer, so it
could
not have been an upgrade. In addition, I have never seen any Internet
upgrade,
or Internet patches to the baseline of M05... and I watch for these things
closely.

I have looked through the menu options of M05 and have not found any one
that would invoke a software update funtcion. (I did find ones for updating
my data on the Microsoft Servers associated with Money though).

And upon looking in my folder where the money files are stored, I find
two different M14 files: "<name> accounts34.M14" and "++<name> accounts.M14".
So it looks like something is seriously wrong.

Further, the "<name> <date> .mbf" files only appeared on my system after I
invoke an online backup (i.e., a backup while I was working off my data on the
Microsoft online servers. So it appears those files, regardless of Money
version,
are created when a backup is done while online.

Thanks for your thoughts so far, but my problem is still present.


"Dick Watson" wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, JK-of-Indy wrote:

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Don't know. Perhaps you were running some kind of timed backup batch
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As Dick said.

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Money 2006 introduces a useful multiple backup file feature. Those
are the multiple backups, and you can choose how many you want:

In M06: Tools-> Settings-> BackupOptions
I suggest checking
x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
Save in [a place on your hard drive ]
x Ask me before backing up each time*
x Compress Backup Files
Keep only the _20_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]

x Perform scheduled backups every _7_ days
Save in [a USB flash drive location]
x Ask me before backing up each time*
x Compress Backup Files
Keep only the _2_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]
(note: does not hold to limit in Money 2006. Delete the older
ones manually)

Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your latest
backup (uniquely named by Money) to a CDR. With XP, this can be a
copy and paste operation. Otherwise use the burning software that
came with your CDR drive.


I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash rather than floppies. They
are bigger, so you don't have to swap media to back up. Plus
they are much more reliable (but not failure-proof).

* The reason I have Money ask me, is that I don't want to back up
each time I exit. If I went into Money 5 times in a day, I would not
want to back up 5 times, nor would I want to delete 5 other backup
files.
You will be given the choice to BackUpNow or to Postpone.

The "name abc accounts34.M14" file is a copy of your old Money2005 data file
before upgrade to M05 with the service fixes or to M06--which is what I
think you are REALLY running. If you are 100% sure you'd never need to go
back to M05, then I'd guess you can safely delete it.

The "name abc accounts34 Backup_2006-03-07_022635.mbf" file is a backup file
made by Money2006. The fact that you have them is why I think, contrary to
information in your post, you are really running M06. Creation of these
files is controlled by the M06 Backup settings at Money File|Backup. The
2006-03-07_022635 part is a timestamp for when the backup was created, in
this case, 2006-03-07 02:26:35. The number of these that will be made/kept
before old ones will be deleted is also controlled by the Backup settings.
The basic filename "name abc accounts34" part says that the basic file in
use when you created the backup was named "name abc accounts34.mny".

Taken together, the fact that you have a "name abc accounts34.mny", a "name
abc accounts34.m14", and a series of "name abc accounts34 Backup*.mbf" files
suggests that the filename you have been using for quite some time--indeed
since you first moved to M06--is "name abc accounts34.mny" This suggests
that the "name abc accountsxx.mny" files, where xx is <34, all date from
before your conversion to M06. You could check their date in Windows
Explorer File|Properties to confirm this. I have no idea why you or M05
would have created them all.

"JK-of-Indy" <JKofIndy[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I'm new to Microsoft Money 2005. Using it about a month now.
I've set it up so that the "mny" file is in a specified folder on my hard
drive.
But, I have now noticed that I have over thirty of them, all with the
following name format:
name abc accounts.mny
name abc accounts0.mny
name abc accounts1.mny
name abc accounts2.mny
....
name abc accounts34.mny

This is disturbing...
if I keep using the program, how high will these file number go?

Note: I also have now observed files named as:
name abc accounts34.M14
and
name abc accounts34 Backup_2006-03-07_022635.mbf
and
name abc accounts34 Backup_2006-03-07_022755.mbf