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| If you do just this one thing, you will re-create the problem: I would suggest setting up an investment account with a money market with say, $1,000 at $1.00 per share and for ease use a date of 10/01/05. Then, add a transaction for a reinvested dividend of $10.00 at $1/share for 12/31/05. Now, look at the report and tell me what you see in the "Total Return for Period" and see what I mean. It will show a Return of $20 - not $10!!! I highly suggest "Customizing" and click on "Show Calculation Delails." |
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| Elliott's posts below ARE CORRECT and he understands the problem. I, however, DO NOT want to enter my reinvested transactions as two separate transactions (one a buy instead of a re-invest) because that changes my "Initial Investment." For example, I buy mutual funds in lots of $5,000 or $10,000 and I want to keep those numbers as my basis - WHAT I INITIALLY INVESTED!!!!!! So, no, I do not want to do the double transaction entry way - especially when I have over 12 years of information in my file. The way that the investment report prints currently DOUBLES the amount of the gain, or return for the period. I have money market accounts set up like mutual funds and say it pays $10.00 in a dividend for the first quarter, MONEY shows it as a total return of $20.00 for the period. I wish it had been the $20, but no, it was only $10. How hard is that to understand? The number in that column should simply be the difference between the "Beginning Balance" for the period and the "Ending Balance" you have chosen. Somehow, Money is taking that number and then ADDS any dividend or interest income (or reinvested LTG, STG's paid during the period. I would suggest setting up an investment account with a money market with say, $1,000 at $1.00 per share and for ease use a date of 10/01/05. Then, add a transaction for a reinvested dividend of $10.00 for 12/31/05. Now, look at the report and tell me what you see in the "Total Return for Period" and see what I mean. It will show a Return of $20 - not $10!!! I highly suggest "Customizing" and click on "Show Calculation Delails." If you do this for me and you are able to show your Programming Department the error, you will win many KUDOS!!!!! BTW, I used to set up computerized accounting systems when I worked. I am now disabled with MS, but my mind is still there. I've worked on many different Accounting Software systems. So, anyhow, it was important for me to get quirks out of the systems. This one I just feel like I'm lost in the abyss on getting this fixed. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: - quote - > 1) Create an Investment Account
I confirm that for both reinvest interest and reinvest dividends,> 2) Create a Mutual Fund, CD or Bond Investment > 3) Enter a buy transaction > 4) Reinvest Interest in the transaction register > 5) Run the report "Performance by investment account" report doubles up the "Return for period" column, but does not double up the "Annual percent return" column. So the workaround is to use a separate Interest or Dividend transaction and a Buy transaction if you are going to use that or related reports. I see that the Gain problem of the portfolio view does not have that problem. |
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| I am having the same problem and it is a program error because it used to have the CORRECT numbers in the return for the period - which now includes any interest or dividends TWICE. I am not sure this Cal guy has a degree in Accounting and understands what is wrong with the report. Heck, I can even duplicate it (see another post of mine on 2/26) in their SAMPLE.MNY file that came with the program. It is the ONE report that I depend on GREATLY. GEEZ, the Portfolio Screen has the correct number - why can't the programmers get that same number into the report? Probably because they really don't care. I have been so aggravated about this since I updated to 2006. Wish I hadn't - but 2004 was having problems downloading price quotes and customer service told me that they had fixed that problem in 2006. I just traded one problem for a BIGGER problem for me. Having to export the report to Excel and fix it is time consuming!!!!! Sadly, there is no easy way to convert to Quicken or I would. "Elliot" wrote: - quote - > By the way, the % Rate of Return is proper, only the $ Return for Period is > double. > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > Seems like a new problem for Money 2006 (I have Deluxe). The Return for the > > > Period calculation appears to double count reinvested interest. A clear > > > example is on savings accounts or cds. The Return for the Period is exactly > > > double the amount that appears in the Income column. I may be having othe > > > discrepancies. Thoughts? > > > What you may be doing is entering both an Interest and a > > ReinvestInterest transaction. Instead either do > > Interest and Buy transactions, > > or a single ReinvestInterest transaction. > |
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| Also happens on reinvested dividends on money market funds (in addition to reinvested interest). Not sure if it happens on reinvested dividends on other types of mutual funds. "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > It does work fine if it's broken into 2 transactions. I could do it going > > forward, but all prior data would still be incorrect. And to change input > > back to 1996 would take a huge amount of time. If Microsoft could just fix > > this for the next release.... It worked in prior releases. > If I were to try to duplicate this, what are the conditions? > Investment account? > ReinvestInterest transactions for a security are entered into the > Investment Transactions register? > The security is set up as a Mutual Fund? > > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > > > Sorry I didn't previously mention. This appears in the "Performance fy > > > > investment account (or type) reports. I think what's happening is that the $ > > > > Return is adding the change in value from begin to end of the period (which > > > > grows because of the reinvested income) plus the income. Therefore, in > > > > effect doubling up on the income to calc the return. If the report included > > > > reinvested income as buys (which it doesn't), then it probably would have > > > > calc'ed properly. > > > > > I have not tried that report, but what I suggest you try is to > > > change the ReinvestInterest into two transactions: Interest and Buy. > > > Does that make things work differently? > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > > > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you > > > > > > suggest, my ending balance would have been off. > > > > > > > > > When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you > > > > > looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? > > > > > > |
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| 1) Create an Investment Account 2) Create a Mutual Fund, CD or Bond Investment 3) Enter a buy transaction 4) Reinvest Interest in the transaction register 5) Run the report "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > It does work fine if it's broken into 2 transactions. I could do it going > > forward, but all prior data would still be incorrect. And to change input > > back to 1996 would take a huge amount of time. If Microsoft could just fix > > this for the next release.... It worked in prior releases. > If I were to try to duplicate this, what are the conditions? > Investment account? > ReinvestInterest transactions for a security are entered into the > Investment Transactions register? > The security is set up as a Mutual Fund? > > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > > > Sorry I didn't previously mention. This appears in the "Performance fy > > > > investment account (or type) reports. I think what's happening is that the $ > > > > Return is adding the change in value from begin to end of the period (which > > > > grows because of the reinvested income) plus the income. Therefore, in > > > > effect doubling up on the income to calc the return. If the report included > > > > reinvested income as buys (which it doesn't), then it probably would have > > > > calc'ed properly. > > > > > I have not tried that report, but what I suggest you try is to > > > change the ReinvestInterest into two transactions: Interest and Buy. > > > Does that make things work differently? > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > > > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you > > > > > > suggest, my ending balance would have been off. > > > > > > > > > When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you > > > > > looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? > > > > > > |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: - quote - > It does work fine if it's broken into 2 transactions. I could do it going
If I were to try to duplicate this, what are the conditions?> forward, but all prior data would still be incorrect. And to change input > back to 1996 would take a huge amount of time. If Microsoft could just fix > this for the next release.... It worked in prior releases. Investment account? ReinvestInterest transactions for a security are entered into the Investment Transactions register? The security is set up as a Mutual Fund? - quote - > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > Sorry I didn't previously mention. This appears in the "Performance fy > > > investment account (or type) reports. I think what's happening is that the $ > > > Return is adding the change in value from begin to end of the period (which > > > grows because of the reinvested income) plus the income. Therefore, in > > > effect doubling up on the income to calc the return. If the report included > > > reinvested income as buys (which it doesn't), then it probably would have > > > calc'ed properly. > > > I have not tried that report, but what I suggest you try is to > > change the ReinvestInterest into two transactions: Interest and Buy. > > Does that make things work differently? > > > > > > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > > > > > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you > > > > > suggest, my ending balance would have been off. > > > > > > > When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you > > > > looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? > > > > |
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| It does work fine if it's broken into 2 transactions. I could do it going forward, but all prior data would still be incorrect. And to change input back to 1996 would take a huge amount of time. If Microsoft could just fix this for the next release.... It worked in prior releases. "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > Sorry I didn't previously mention. This appears in the "Performance fy > > investment account (or type) reports. I think what's happening is that the $ > > Return is adding the change in value from begin to end of the period (which > > grows because of the reinvested income) plus the income. Therefore, in > > effect doubling up on the income to calc the return. If the report included > > reinvested income as buys (which it doesn't), then it probably would have > > calc'ed properly. > I have not tried that report, but what I suggest you try is to > change the ReinvestInterest into two transactions: Interest and Buy. > Does that make things work differently? > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > > > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you > > > > suggest, my ending balance would have been off. > > > > > When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you > > > looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? > > |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: - quote - > Sorry I didn't previously mention. This appears in the "Performance fy
I have not tried that report, but what I suggest you try is to> investment account (or type) reports. I think what's happening is that the $ > Return is adding the change in value from begin to end of the period (which > grows because of the reinvested income) plus the income. Therefore, in > effect doubling up on the income to calc the return. If the report included > reinvested income as buys (which it doesn't), then it probably would have > calc'ed properly. change the ReinvestInterest into two transactions: Interest and Buy. Does that make things work differently? - quote - > "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: > > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > > > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you > > > suggest, my ending balance would have been off. > > > When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you > > looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? > |
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| Sorry I didn't previously mention. This appears in the "Performance fy investment account (or type) reports. I think what's happening is that the $ Return is adding the change in value from begin to end of the period (which grows because of the reinvested income) plus the income. Therefore, in effect doubling up on the income to calc the return. If the report included reinvested income as buys (which it doesn't), then it probably would have calc'ed properly. "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you > > suggest, my ending balance would have been off. > When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you > looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: - quote - > No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you
When you say "The Return for the Period calculation", are you> suggest, my ending balance would have been off. looking at the Portfolio? If so, what is the column heading? |
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| By the way, the % Rate of Return is proper, only the $ Return for Period is double. "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > Seems like a new problem for Money 2006 (I have Deluxe). The Return for the > > Period calculation appears to double count reinvested interest. A clear > > example is on savings accounts or cds. The Return for the Period is exactly > > double the amount that appears in the Income column. I may be having othe > > discrepancies. Thoughts? > What you may be doing is entering both an Interest and a > ReinvestInterest transaction. Instead either do > Interest and Buy transactions, > or a single ReinvestInterest transaction. |
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| No, I'm only entering in a reinvest entry. And, if I was doing both as you suggest, my ending balance would have been off. "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: > > Seems like a new problem for Money 2006 (I have Deluxe). The Return for the > > Period calculation appears to double count reinvested interest. A clear > > example is on savings accounts or cds. The Return for the Period is exactly > > double the amount that appears in the Income column. I may be having othe > > discrepancies. Thoughts? > What you may be doing is entering both an Interest and a > ReinvestInterest transaction. Instead either do > Interest and Buy transactions, > or a single ReinvestInterest transaction. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Elliot wrote: - quote - > Seems like a new problem for Money 2006 (I have Deluxe). The Return for the
What you may be doing is entering both an Interest and a> Period calculation appears to double count reinvested interest. A clear > example is on savings accounts or cds. The Return for the Period is exactly > double the amount that appears in the Income column. I may be having othe > discrepancies. Thoughts? ReinvestInterest transaction. Instead either do Interest and Buy transactions, or a single ReinvestInterest transaction. |
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| Seems like a new problem for Money 2006 (I have Deluxe). The Return for the Period calculation appears to double count reinvested interest. A clear example is on savings accounts or cds. The Return for the Period is exactly double the amount that appears in the Income column. I may be having othe discrepancies. Thoughts? |
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