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Old 12-15-2005, 11:44 AM
Dick Watson
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I'd bet the wizard put them there, too. I'd remove them and forget the
wizard exists. Here's what I do: On the Investment Account, Account Summary
page, at the bottom left, there is a thing called Account Update. It does
what the wizard is supposed to do with a whole lot less hand holding and it
works. I use it to get the number of units $1 units of my 401k investments
to match the plan changes in value--since the plan doesn't provide quotes
directly nor unit values uniformly. It just lets you put in a current number
of shares/dollar value for each of the investments and the cash portion and
then adds Add/Remove Share and Account Adjustment transactions fit to match.
But beware: even this is too good to be true in M05/6. Previous versions did
these relative to the balance for the date you entered the data. Post dated
transactions were ignored for the amount/balance. (I post-date 401k
transactions since my plan has some dwell time from when the cash leaves my
paycheck until it gets into the 401k account.) M05/M06 adjust the final
account balance even if there's a future transaction for ten years from now
in the registers.

"Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
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> I guess I am saying that using the Wizard added the contributions. I'm not
> sure. I don't recall seeing that on the list of "investments", but maybe
> it was there. I also don't see any "contributions" in the transactions
> list to enable deleting it. I removed shares equal to the exact number I
> needed to bring the account into balance, and it shot to far negative due
> to the negative "contributions".
> This is weird.



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Old 12-15-2005, 06:14 AM
Rob Schneider
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Dick,

I guess I am saying that using the Wizard added the contributions. I'm
not sure. I don't recall seeing that on the list of "investments", but
maybe it was there. I also don't see any "contributions" in the
transactions list to enable deleting it. I removed shares equal to the
exact number I needed to bring the account into balance, and it shot to
far negative due to the negative "contributions".

This is weird.


Dick Watson wrote:
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> Well, I'd just delete them. But I'm not clear on what's in the contributions
> account and what's in the investment account. IF the account summary
> balances for shares are right and the cash/contributions account is off,
> then deleting the additions should be OK.
> Are you saying the Remove Shares transaction you entered--no Wizard--added
> some transaction to the contributions account?
> The Wizard is useless and hopelessly broken. Avoid it.
> "Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
> news:evbFk0GAGHA.2812[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Now some negative "Contributions" are stuck in there... can't see this as
> > a transaction. I've never contributed (or at least in yearss) and haven't
> > withdrawn. How to remove? Know?

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Old 12-14-2005, 11:58 AM
Dick Watson
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Well, I'd just delete them. But I'm not clear on what's in the contributions
account and what's in the investment account. IF the account summary
balances for shares are right and the cash/contributions account is off,
then deleting the additions should be OK.

Are you saying the Remove Shares transaction you entered--no Wizard--added
some transaction to the contributions account?

The Wizard is useless and hopelessly broken. Avoid it.

"Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
news:evbFk0GAGHA.2812[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Now some negative "Contributions" are stuck in there... can't see this as
> a transaction. I've never contributed (or at least in yearss) and haven't
> withdrawn. How to remove? Know?



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Old 12-14-2005, 06:29 AM
harrelsonesq
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Say no when the wizard asks you if you want to adjust the account balance.
That step screws up everything.

Susan

"Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
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> Dick,
> Thanks. I wasn't awareof this long-time bug ... guess I gotta read this
> newsgroup more carefully!
> Your right, I don't care why ... just want balances to be about the same
> and now they are way off.
> thanks,
> rms
> Dick Watson wrote:
> > Update retirement account has NEVER worked for declines in value. Who
> > knows why?
> > > So 1) we are talking about some cash held in the investment account and

> > you have an investment representing the cash? And 2) the reason the
> > difference has accumulated is not worth fixing now, you just want to get
> > the correct balance? In the investment account, enter a transaction for
> > this investment. Besides Buy and Sell, two of the investment transaction
> > options should be Add Shares and Remove Shares. Use the appropriate one
> > in the dollar/share amount of the difference.
> > > "Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message

> > news:OMEJPg7$FHA.3064[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > It's an IRA invesemtn account in Money 2006. The difference is the
> > > number of shares in a cash-equivalent security (e.g. $1.00/share). I may
> > > be thick but I can't find the Add Shares option. I did try the "Update
> > > retirement account" function. PUt in the exact number of shares for all
> > > securities held. It detected the differnce in the cash amount. I told it
> > > to "adjust contributions in Money to equal the statement" which resulsted
> > > in going down by the delta. The ending balance on the dialog box was
> > > exactly as the statement. Press "finish", but the balance reported by
> > > Money is still off. Didn't seem to include the correction. Sigh. (I'm
> > > not a rookie at Money .... using various versions since late 1990's).

> >

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Old 12-14-2005, 04:13 AM
Rob Schneider
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Dick,

Now some negative "Contributions" are stuck in there... can't see this
as a transaction. I've never contributed (or at least in yearss) and
haven't withdrawn. How to remove? Know?


Rob Schneider wrote:
- quote -

> Dick,
> Thanks. I wasn't awareof this long-time bug ... guess I gotta read this
> newsgroup more carefully!
> Your right, I don't care why ... just want balances to be about the same
> and now they are way off.
> thanks,
> rms
> Dick Watson wrote:
> > Update retirement account has NEVER worked for declines in value. Who
> > knows why?
> > > So 1) we are talking about some cash held in the investment account

> > and you have an investment representing the cash? And 2) the reason
> > the difference has accumulated is not worth fixing now, you just want
> > to get the correct balance? In the investment account, enter a
> > transaction for this investment. Besides Buy and Sell, two of the
> > investment transaction options should be Add Shares and Remove Shares.
> > Use the appropriate one in the dollar/share amount of the difference.
> > > "Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in

> > message news:OMEJPg7$FHA.3064[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > It's an IRA invesemtn account in Money 2006. The difference is the
> > > number of shares in a cash-equivalent security (e.g. $1.00/share). I
> > > may be thick but I can't find the Add Shares option. I did try the
> > > "Update retirement account" function. PUt in the exact number of
> > > shares for all securities held. It detected the differnce in the cash
> > > amount. I told it to "adjust contributions in Money to equal the
> > > statement" which resulsted in going down by the delta. The ending
> > > balance on the dialog box was exactly as the statement. Press
> > > "finish", but the balance reported by Money is still off. Didn't
> > > seem to include the correction. Sigh. (I'm not a rookie at Money ....
> > > using various versions since late 1990's).
> > > >
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Old 12-13-2005, 07:09 PM
Rob Schneider
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Dick,

Thanks. I wasn't awareof this long-time bug ... guess I gotta read this
newsgroup more carefully!

Your right, I don't care why ... just want balances to be about the same
and now they are way off.

thanks,
rms

Dick Watson wrote:
- quote -

> Update retirement account has NEVER worked for declines in value. Who knows
> why?
> So 1) we are talking about some cash held in the investment account and you
> have an investment representing the cash? And 2) the reason the difference
> has accumulated is not worth fixing now, you just want to get the correct
> balance? In the investment account, enter a transaction for this investment.
> Besides Buy and Sell, two of the investment transaction options should be
> Add Shares and Remove Shares. Use the appropriate one in the dollar/share
> amount of the difference.
> "Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
> news:OMEJPg7$FHA.3064[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > It's an IRA invesemtn account in Money 2006. The difference is the number
> > of shares in a cash-equivalent security (e.g. $1.00/share). I may be thick
> > but I can't find the Add Shares option. I did try the "Update retirement
> > account" function. PUt in the exact number of shares for all securities
> > held. It detected the differnce in the cash amount. I told it to "adjust
> > contributions in Money to equal the statement" which resulsted in going
> > down by the delta. The ending balance on the dialog box was exactly as
> > the statement. Press "finish", but the balance reported by Money is still
> > off. Didn't seem to include the correction. Sigh. (I'm not a rookie at
> > Money .... using various versions since late 1990's).

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Old 12-13-2005, 12:34 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Balances in Investment Account Don't Match Reality - How to Correct?

Update retirement account has NEVER worked for declines in value. Who knows
why?

So 1) we are talking about some cash held in the investment account and you
have an investment representing the cash? And 2) the reason the difference
has accumulated is not worth fixing now, you just want to get the correct
balance? In the investment account, enter a transaction for this investment.
Besides Buy and Sell, two of the investment transaction options should be
Add Shares and Remove Shares. Use the appropriate one in the dollar/share
amount of the difference.

"Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
news:OMEJPg7$FHA.3064[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> It's an IRA invesemtn account in Money 2006. The difference is the number
> of shares in a cash-equivalent security (e.g. $1.00/share). I may be thick
> but I can't find the Add Shares option. I did try the "Update retirement
> account" function. PUt in the exact number of shares for all securities
> held. It detected the differnce in the cash amount. I told it to "adjust
> contributions in Money to equal the statement" which resulsted in going
> down by the delta. The ending balance on the dialog box was exactly as
> the statement. Press "finish", but the balance reported by Money is still
> off. Didn't seem to include the correction. Sigh. (I'm not a rookie at
> Money .... using various versions since late 1990's).



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Old 12-13-2005, 06:37 AM
Rob Schneider
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Dick,

It's an IRA invesemtn account in Money 2006. The difference is the
number of shares in a cash-equivalent security (e.g. $1.00/share). I may
be thick but I can't find the Add Shares option. I did try the "Update
retirement account" function. PUt in the exact number of shares for all
securities held. It detected the differnce in the cash amount. I told
it to "adjust contributions in Money to equal the statement" which
resulsted in going down by the delta. The ending balance on the dialog
box was exactly as the statement. Press "finish", but the balance
reported by Money is still off. Didn't seem to include the correction.
Sigh. (I'm not a rookie at Money .... using various versions since
late 1990's).

Dick Watson wrote:
- quote -

> Well, the first thing to do is probably to figure out where the difference
> came from. Is downloaded data involved? Also, what's wrong with Add/Remove
> Shares?
> "Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
> news:uBGVjgu$FHA.2996[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > How to change the account details in an investment account (IRA) where the
> > some of the quantities of shares don't match the account? I don't see
> > easy way to "correct", vs. Add Shares, Transfer, etc. I don't want to
> > delete the account (to avoid having history disappear),


 
Old 12-12-2005, 12:09 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Balances in Investment Account Don't Match Reality - How to Correct?

Well, the first thing to do is probably to figure out where the difference
came from. Is downloaded data involved? Also, what's wrong with Add/Remove
Shares?

"Rob Schneider" <rmschne[at]removetheones_b1e1e1b.net.net> wrote in message
news:uBGVjgu$FHA.2996[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> How to change the account details in an investment account (IRA) where the
> some of the quantities of shares don't match the account? I don't see
> easy way to "correct", vs. Add Shares, Transfer, etc. I don't want to
> delete the account (to avoid having history disappear),



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Old 12-12-2005, 05:49 AM
Rob Schneider
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Default Balances in Investment Account Don't Match Reality - How to Correct?

Folks,

How to change the account details in an investment account (IRA) where
the some of the quantities of shares don't match the account? I don't
see easy way to "correct", vs. Add Shares, Transfer, etc. I don't want
to delete the account (to avoid having history disappear),
 

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