HoU,

Glad to hear things are better! Let us know if anything changes.

I'm more convinced now that what you and the OP were observing is
caused by something different than what I'm experiencing. They just
produce the same Money error. Especially in light of the size of your
data file, I wouldn't expect the type of wait you were originally
seeing.

Regards,
JB

On 27 Aug 2005 09:02:32 -0700, johnbusc[at]hotmail.com wrote:

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last week, so it could be longer), so any program updates should
already be done. Money does check for updates each time I have it get
my banking info online. I always wait for the update to finish before
I shut down Money.

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connected to the Net with Money 04 or 06 is via a manual request to
update online information. I'm just not sold on the Passport idea.

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Passport. So, I didn't reinstall 04, since that's the way I had been
using it anyway. FWIW I open M06 around 3 times a day. I opened it
more often, when I'd first installed it.

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posting to this newsgroup fixed it. <grin
The only other thing I did was to reboot my router. Can't see where
that would have anything to do with it, but perhaps there was a
hidden, unfinished process. If there was, it had an obscure name, as
I'd been regularly looking at running processes to find msmoney.exe in
order to shut it down manually to restart Money 06.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with success. Hopefully M06 will
continue to behave properly.

HoU,

If I understand correctly, you converted from M04 to M06. Is this
right?

How did you obtain your M06, from CD or web download? If the latter,
it may still be updating the Money installation.

Did you login to your M04 file with a Passport? If so, and you still
have your M04 data file, try reinstalling M04. Then open your M04 data
file. If I recall correctly, there's a checkbox or selection of some
kind related to whether you want to login with or without access to
Passport related functions for that session. Login in without. Once
the file opens, close it and convert this file with M06. See if you
still have the "money still running" problem.

Post back and let us know what you find. Thanks.

Regards,
JB

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:41:12 -0700, "boB10861"
<bob5458402[at]hotmail.com.(donotspam)> wrote:

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I'm seeing the same thing with my Money 06. I didn't see it Money 04.
I don't have it set up to do connections on its own, so there should
be no Net connections running when I shut down.

My data file is around 4.5 MB. I can have Money running for a short
time (under 5 minutes) and shut down for several hours. I still see
the problem when I try to start it up again. Like the original
poster, the only way I can restart Money is to go into Task Manager
and shut down the msmoney.exe process.

<johnbusc[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125057744.704712.154230[at]z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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Had already tried this and it still doesn't work. Maybe I should reinstall
M06 as I had M05 installed when I first installed M06, and in that time,
even when I clicked on a Money06 file, Money 2005 would open it (and say how
it was going to fix it etc).

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Actually, my bank is Regions and says that it supports direct download as
well as bill paying through the bank (not MSBillpay) using Money (though
that costs $8 a month additional).

Are you certain that this is not a specific provision of MS's to require the
use of the MSN Money online business? I.e., do you know of anyone who (a)
does not have a passport and does not keep their data on MSN Money Online,
AND (b) can do direct downloads from the bank?

Actually, now that I think on it, I can do direct downloads from Fidelity
w/o having a passport acct at MSN. Answered my own question?


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Hi Art,

I normally close a program and immediately switch to another already-loaded
program; or I double-click an icon to start another program. I have never
waited.

It appears, however, that when I allow Money to complete it's "displayed
activities", it consistently closes properly.

Its seems more a work-around than a solution, but it works.

Thanks.

boB


"Art McClinton" wrote:

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DR,

(maybe not as happy as Bob, but...)

Answer to (a) and (b) is the same. For whatever reason, the file
association between Money and your money files has been removed. Right
click on one of your money files and select 'Properties'. From there
you should be able to find a button to select which application opens
the file. If Money doesn't show up on the application list, you should
be able to browse to msmoney.exe and select it. Keep in mind that if
your system is setup to "Hide protected operating system files" you may
have trouble browsing to the folder where msmoney.exe is.

As for question (c), if you're being "forced" to have a passport then
your bank doesn't support direct download to Money. If you want to do
this directly, you have to do it through the Yodlee service integration
which requires setting up MSN access. If you don't want your data on
MSN, then you won't be able to get direct downloads from your bank to
Money. However, if your bank's website supports downloads, you can
import the data into your file.

Hope this helps!

Regards,
JB

Since you're a happy camper, thought I'd jump in with a question or two:

(a) my money files have no icon. why is this?
(b) i can't start my money 2006 files by clicking on the files. why this? i
get msg says "(null) is not a Win 32 application)
(c) (MOST IMPORTANT) I do not want to have my bank stuff on Money's web
page, but I DO wnat to do downloads from my bank to Mon06--is this possible?
Seems not, as when I try to set up "online banking" with my bank Mon06
forces me to have a PASSPORT and an online Money acct.

Thanks for any insight.


"boB10861" <bob5458402[at]hotmail.com.(donotspam)> wrote in message
news:EC379710-C6F1-4C62-971B-C1098A8446F6[at]microsoft.com...
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I have had this problem and reported it in both Money 2005 and 2006.
Based on what I have been told from the MS Help folk, they think the
problem is related to an error in the user file. They have lots of
problems from various users. To this end I set up a file with a single
FI and started a download of data. I immediately closed Money by
hitting the x in upper right hand corner. Money then proceeded to hang
and was still hung when I got up the next morning. It appears to me
that Money has a problem when it kicks of background banking and if you
close money while background banking is running it will not totally
close down the window. I tried the same thing with equal results on my
20MB file and after the two backups had finished the icon in the upper
banner was still circling indicating it was waiting for data to return.

The response when I passed this information on the MS was that I should
know better to close out Money while it has a child process open. "That
this would cause problems in any Microsoft program!". I have been also
told that if I would like this fixed that I should submit a wish list
item as they consider it a feature and not a bug as it effects so few
people (based on the ones that have emailed the problem to them) that
they consider it is data related only.

Art

PS - MS has offered a work around of opening task manager and stopping
the program!

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Yes. I like the program. And... Yes. I still have the problem I described.

Patty indicated she just installed the program today. I thought perhaps the
program could still be downloading, which might have been causing her
problems.

Sorry for the confusion.

boB


"johnbusc[at]hotmail.com" wrote:

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Bob,

Now you have me confused! Are you saying you no longer have Money
still running after close OR is it still happening but now you like it?

JB

boB10861 (donotspam) wrote:
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Hi Patty,

Don't give up yet. I installed MSMoney from the internet. After the
initial installation the program continued to download for a substantial
period of time before all of the options were functional.

The program does the downloading autimatically. It gives no indication that
this is happening except those you get when you attempt to use some of
MSMoney's options. Perhaps it is still downloading?

I kinda like 2006 update, now that I have it installed and running.

I hope this helps.

boB

"Patty" wrote:

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John
Just ran a test. If I open the money file and keep it open for 5 minutes,
then terminate, the delay is less than a second.
If I open the money file and close it immediately, without saving, the delay
is 3 seconds.
File is 11.6 mb.
Al.


"johnbusc[at]hotmail.com" wrote:

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I'm having the same problem. Just installed Money 06 today and have rebooted
my system numerous times trying to figure out what and where Money is still
running! Wish I had stayed with Money 02 now.
--
Patty


"boB10861" wrote:

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Thank you for the responses.

I am familiiar with the delay you are describing. I don't think this is the
same problem. however. For example... after posting my question on this
board I chatted with a neighbor for over an hour. When I returned my
computer and attempted to restart Money, over an hour later, MSMoney was
still in memory.

Typically I have MSMoney open for fairly long periods; usually at least an
hour. I often leave it loaded while I do other things.

My processor is 3. MHz Pentium 4 with 512 MB of RAM.

My Money file is under 12 MB.

boB

AVS,

How long was your money file open before you closed it?

JB

avs wrote:
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John and Bob
My money file is 11mb and I've checked the msmoney process after I've
terminated money 2006, and the process is gone in less a second. This is on
my Sony laptop (2gh, 512mb).
Just adding to the mystery.
Al.


"johnbusc[at]hotmail.com" wrote:

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Bob,

If you wait long enough, msmoney.exe will close on its own. Not sure
why this is, but you're not the only one who'd like to know. The time
it takes appears to be directly proportional to the size of the money
file. It appears that when Money 06 opens the file there are
background processes that need to complete before a new session is
started. If Money is open long enough these will complete and you will
be able to close and re-open Money almost immediately. If Money is
closed before these background processes complete, msmoney will
continue to run and prevent you from starting a new session.

How large is your Money file? I've observed a 6 minute wait for 30MB,
2 minutes for 15MB, and less than a minute for 6MB. These times start
from the point that Money is first opened. They are also dependent
upon processor speed and available memory. Since, on a laptop, the
processor speed can also be dependent upon power settings, the times
can be affected by whether you're running on battery or not.

If it weren't for this one thing, I'd say M06 is an improvement over
M05. But I also realize that's not saying much! If you find out
anything that improves this situation, please let us know. Thanks.

Regards,
JB

-- After opening, running and then closing MSMoney 2006, the program appears
to
close normally. If, however, I attempt to reopen Money, I get a message box
stating "Money is already running".

In order to reopen MSMoney, I am forced to either reboot the computer, or to
manually close the program via "Window Task Manager" by finding and
selecting "msmoney.exe" in the "Processes" list and selecting the "End
Process" button.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled the program in an effort to correct this
problem, without success.

Any suggestions as to how I can correct this annoyance? I am running
Windows XP with all updates.

boB