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Old 08-15-2005, 04:42 PM
Michael Gordon, MVP
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Default Re: Caution FYI to upgraders...

I'm trying to find out/

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"Ed Simmons" <Ed Simmons[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> David:
> Did MS mention whether or not they are dropping this feature for good or
> if/when a fix will be released? I believe I'll be going back to 2005
> today
> for the same reason, I used the bills summary balance feature daily and am
> seeing some major slow downs in 2006.
> "David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" wrote:
> > heads up, Microsoft Money provides a poor customer experience when
> > transitioning between versions.
> > > I reverted back to version 2005 and have found that I cannot open any of

> > my
> > 2005 version money files.
> > > My experience:

> > Before I installed 2006, I saved off a copy of my original 2005 file.
> > After
> > installing 2006 I uninstalled 2005 since 2006 left 2005 on the machine
> > even
> > though the documentation states not to run 2 versions. I then discovered
> > 2006 dropped an important feature (to me anyway) that in my opinion makes
> > 2006 unusable. I then uninstalled 2006 and installed 2005. I then went
> > back
> > to my saved version 2005 file to open in 2005.
> > > A customer should reasonably conclude there should be no issue in

> > returning
> > to square one in this fashion.
> > > But when I opened my file I was prompted that Money 2005 needed to

> > "convert"
> > my file for version 2005. Red Flag!! Why should 2005 need to convert my
> > original 2005 file? I have to proceed with ok, but then it fails with an
> > error that it can't open the file because it's read only or write
> > protected
> > or from an earlier version. I don't see how this is possible when none of
> > those is the case. I then reproduce this issue when I attempt to open my
> > 2005 version backup file "mbf", and I reproduce this issue when I try to
> > use
> > the backup of my file that 2006 created. I then have to assume that Money
> > must write some registry bs that remains after an uninstall and makes the
> > pc
> > think it has an earlier version, or something like that. So I perform a
> > System Restore to before I installed 2006. Which btw I noted that 2006
> > does
> > not write a restore point. All Microsoft software should imo or what's
> > the
> > point.
> > > But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be

> > back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot
> > get
> > 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.
> > > David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]

> > http://www.publishermvps.com
> > http://www.davidbartosik.com
> > > > >


  #9  
Old 08-15-2005, 04:07 PM
David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]
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Default Re: Caution FYI to upgraders...

I don't have any contacts with the Money PG.

David

"Ed Simmons" <Ed Simmons[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:18EF335A-33EE-4B11-B257-843D659AD044[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> David:
> Did MS mention whether or not they are dropping this feature for good or
> if/when a fix will be released? I believe I'll be going back to 2005
> today
> for the same reason, I used the bills summary balance feature daily and am
> seeing some major slow downs in 2006.
> "David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" wrote:
> > heads up, Microsoft Money provides a poor customer experience when
> > transitioning between versions.
> > > I reverted back to version 2005 and have found that I cannot open any of

> > my
> > 2005 version money files.
> > > My experience:

> > Before I installed 2006, I saved off a copy of my original 2005 file.
> > After
> > installing 2006 I uninstalled 2005 since 2006 left 2005 on the machine
> > even
> > though the documentation states not to run 2 versions. I then discovered
> > 2006 dropped an important feature (to me anyway) that in my opinion makes
> > 2006 unusable. I then uninstalled 2006 and installed 2005. I then went
> > back
> > to my saved version 2005 file to open in 2005.
> > > A customer should reasonably conclude there should be no issue in

> > returning
> > to square one in this fashion.
> > > But when I opened my file I was prompted that Money 2005 needed to

> > "convert"
> > my file for version 2005. Red Flag!! Why should 2005 need to convert my
> > original 2005 file? I have to proceed with ok, but then it fails with an
> > error that it can't open the file because it's read only or write
> > protected
> > or from an earlier version. I don't see how this is possible when none of
> > those is the case. I then reproduce this issue when I attempt to open my
> > 2005 version backup file "mbf", and I reproduce this issue when I try to
> > use
> > the backup of my file that 2006 created. I then have to assume that Money
> > must write some registry bs that remains after an uninstall and makes the
> > pc
> > think it has an earlier version, or something like that. So I perform a
> > System Restore to before I installed 2006. Which btw I noted that 2006
> > does
> > not write a restore point. All Microsoft software should imo or what's
> > the
> > point.
> > > But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be

> > back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot
> > get
> > 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.
> > > David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]

> > http://www.publishermvps.com
> > http://www.davidbartosik.com
> > > > >


  #8  
Old 08-15-2005, 01:58 PM
Ed Simmons
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Default RE: Caution FYI to upgraders...

David:

Did MS mention whether or not they are dropping this feature for good or
if/when a fix will be released? I believe I'll be going back to 2005 today
for the same reason, I used the bills summary balance feature daily and am
seeing some major slow downs in 2006.

"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" wrote:

- quote -

> heads up, Microsoft Money provides a poor customer experience when
> transitioning between versions.
> I reverted back to version 2005 and have found that I cannot open any of my
> 2005 version money files.
> My experience:
> Before I installed 2006, I saved off a copy of my original 2005 file. After
> installing 2006 I uninstalled 2005 since 2006 left 2005 on the machine even
> though the documentation states not to run 2 versions. I then discovered
> 2006 dropped an important feature (to me anyway) that in my opinion makes
> 2006 unusable. I then uninstalled 2006 and installed 2005. I then went back
> to my saved version 2005 file to open in 2005.
> A customer should reasonably conclude there should be no issue in returning
> to square one in this fashion.
> But when I opened my file I was prompted that Money 2005 needed to "convert"
> my file for version 2005. Red Flag!! Why should 2005 need to convert my
> original 2005 file? I have to proceed with ok, but then it fails with an
> error that it can't open the file because it's read only or write protected
> or from an earlier version. I don't see how this is possible when none of
> those is the case. I then reproduce this issue when I attempt to open my
> 2005 version backup file "mbf", and I reproduce this issue when I try to use
> the backup of my file that 2006 created. I then have to assume that Money
> must write some registry bs that remains after an uninstall and makes the pc
> think it has an earlier version, or something like that. So I perform a
> System Restore to before I installed 2006. Which btw I noted that 2006 does
> not write a restore point. All Microsoft software should imo or what's the
> point.
> But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be
> back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot get
> 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.
> David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> http://www.davidbartosik.com

  #7  
Old 08-15-2005, 01:40 PM
David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]
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13.0 was skipped due to superstition and 14.0 came back to haunt them.
Interesting irony.
;-)

David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
www.publishermvps.com
www.davidbartosik.com

"Bob Peel MVP" <Bob_Peel[at]kiandraNOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uClCjFWoFHA.2904[at]TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
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> David, what happened was that a major patch was needed not long after
> M2005 went to RTM. To fix the problems a change had to be made to the .mny
> file format. So when you went from RTM to version 14.0.*.1105 an upgrade
> to the file was performed.



  #6  
Old 08-15-2005, 06:20 AM
Bob Peel MVP
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David, what happened was that a major patch was needed not long after M2005
went to RTM. To fix the problems a change had to be made to the .mny file
format. So when you went from RTM to version 14.0.*.1105 an upgrade to the
file was performed.

When you reinstalled M2005 you went back to version 14.0.*.728 and when it
looked at your 14.0.*.1105 file it thought you were trying to upgrade from
M2004 or earlier. As others have said by going on line you downloaded the
patch.

We have been telling the PG for years that they should write some code that
says "you are trying to open a Money file that was produced by a newer
version!"; before M2005 the usual message was to ask for a password when you
tried this!

Hoarsely yours!

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Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.
For wishes or suggestions see
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
or for UK wishes http://www.microsoft.com/uk/support/money/feedback

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:ePpXF3SoFHA.708[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> heads up, Microsoft Money provides a poor customer experience when
> transitioning between versions.
> I reverted back to version 2005 and have found that I cannot open any of
> my 2005 version money files.
> My experience:
> Before I installed 2006, I saved off a copy of my original 2005 file.
> After installing 2006 I uninstalled 2005 since 2006 left 2005 on the
> machine even though the documentation states not to run 2 versions. I then
> discovered 2006 dropped an important feature (to me anyway) that in my
> opinion makes 2006 unusable. I then uninstalled 2006 and installed 2005. I
> then went back to my saved version 2005 file to open in 2005.
> A customer should reasonably conclude there should be no issue in
> returning to square one in this fashion.
> But when I opened my file I was prompted that Money 2005 needed to
> "convert" my file for version 2005. Red Flag!! Why should 2005 need to
> convert my original 2005 file? I have to proceed with ok, but then it
> fails with an error that it can't open the file because it's read only or
> write protected or from an earlier version. I don't see how this is
> possible when none of those is the case. I then reproduce this issue when
> I attempt to open my 2005 version backup file "mbf", and I reproduce this
> issue when I try to use the backup of my file that 2006 created. I then
> have to assume that Money must write some registry bs that remains after
> an uninstall and makes the pc think it has an earlier version, or
> something like that. So I perform a System Restore to before I installed
> 2006. Which btw I noted that 2006 does not write a restore point. All
> Microsoft software should imo or what's the point.
> But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be
> back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot get
> 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.
> David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> http://www.davidbartosik.com



  #5  
Old 08-15-2005, 02:46 AM
micro$oft
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Default Re: Caution FYI to upgraders...

Hey thanks everyone. I had the same problem. I wasted hours. I would like to
move to Quicken only I am unsure about the data conversion.
The reason I moved back to 05 is that I did not see a running balance when
looking at bills...could not select more than one to look at what the balance
would be like in 05.

"Dick Watson" wrote:

- quote -

> I expect they'd wear you down.
> Glad you are up and running.
> "David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:%23NR37NToFHA.3608[at]TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Thank God I'm not a Money MVP, I'd be hoarse all the time from screaming
> > at the PG.

  #4  
Old 08-15-2005, 02:10 AM
Dick Watson
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I expect they'd wear you down.

Glad you are up and running.

"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:%23NR37NToFHA.3608[at]TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Thank God I'm not a Money MVP, I'd be hoarse all the time from screaming
> at the PG.



  #3  
Old 08-15-2005, 01:07 AM
Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
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"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, thanks to the responders, I am up and running again. Thank God I'm not a
> Money MVP, I'd be hoarse all the time from screaming at the PG. Totally not
> a good customer experience, not even counting the hours I lost today. I
> certainly don't understand why the system restore wouldn't put me back at an
> "updated" 14 format.


Well, there are over 110MB of DLLs and EXEs in the money directory
alone, and the file that has the format may be in yet another file. It
certainly isn't in that 69KB money.exe file.
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  #2  
Old 08-15-2005, 12:51 AM
David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]
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Ok, thanks to the responders, I am up and running again. Thank God I'm not a
Money MVP, I'd be hoarse all the time from screaming at the PG. Totally not
a good customer experience, not even counting the hours I lost today. I
certainly don't understand why the system restore wouldn't put me back at an
"updated" 14 format.
thanx
David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
http://www.publishermvps.com
http://www.davidbartosik.com

"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-silvernino[at]hotmail.spambegone.com> wrote in message
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> "David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote:
> > But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be
> > back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot get
> > 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.

> Open Money 2005 and create a new file. Run an update. It should
> upgrade your version of M2005. Now, restart Money and try to open your
> backup/saved files.
> --
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> Ed Hansberry (Please do *NOT* email me. Post here for the benefit of all)
> What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
> Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
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  #1  
Old 08-15-2005, 12:40 AM
Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
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"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote:

- quote -

> But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be
> back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot get
> 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.


Open Money 2005 and create a new file. Run an update. It should
upgrade your version of M2005. Now, restart Money and try to open your
backup/saved files.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:26 AM
Dick Watson
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I haven't followed your whole case. Are you aware of this:
http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=177?

"David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]" <dbartosik[at]communities.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:ePpXF3SoFHA.708[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> heads up, Microsoft Money provides a poor customer experience when
> transitioning between versions.
> I reverted back to version 2005 and have found that I cannot open any of
> my 2005 version money files.
> My experience:
> Before I installed 2006, I saved off a copy of my original 2005 file.
> After installing 2006 I uninstalled 2005 since 2006 left 2005 on the
> machine even though the documentation states not to run 2 versions. I then
> discovered 2006 dropped an important feature (to me anyway) that in my
> opinion makes 2006 unusable. I then uninstalled 2006 and installed 2005. I
> then went back to my saved version 2005 file to open in 2005.
> A customer should reasonably conclude there should be no issue in
> returning to square one in this fashion.
> But when I opened my file I was prompted that Money 2005 needed to
> "convert" my file for version 2005. Red Flag!! Why should 2005 need to
> convert my original 2005 file? I have to proceed with ok, but then it
> fails with an error that it can't open the file because it's read only or
> write protected or from an earlier version. I don't see how this is
> possible when none of those is the case. I then reproduce this issue when
> I attempt to open my 2005 version backup file "mbf", and I reproduce this
> issue when I try to use the backup of my file that 2006 created. I then
> have to assume that Money must write some registry bs that remains after
> an uninstall and makes the pc think it has an earlier version, or
> something like that. So I perform a System Restore to before I installed
> 2006. Which btw I noted that 2006 does not write a restore point. All
> Microsoft software should imo or what's the point.
> But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be
> back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot get
> 2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.
> David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> http://www.davidbartosik.com



  #-1  
Old 08-15-2005, 12:11 AM
David Bartosik [MSFT MVP]
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Default Caution FYI to upgraders...

heads up, Microsoft Money provides a poor customer experience when
transitioning between versions.

I reverted back to version 2005 and have found that I cannot open any of my
2005 version money files.

My experience:
Before I installed 2006, I saved off a copy of my original 2005 file. After
installing 2006 I uninstalled 2005 since 2006 left 2005 on the machine even
though the documentation states not to run 2 versions. I then discovered
2006 dropped an important feature (to me anyway) that in my opinion makes
2006 unusable. I then uninstalled 2006 and installed 2005. I then went back
to my saved version 2005 file to open in 2005.

A customer should reasonably conclude there should be no issue in returning
to square one in this fashion.

But when I opened my file I was prompted that Money 2005 needed to "convert"
my file for version 2005. Red Flag!! Why should 2005 need to convert my
original 2005 file? I have to proceed with ok, but then it fails with an
error that it can't open the file because it's read only or write protected
or from an earlier version. I don't see how this is possible when none of
those is the case. I then reproduce this issue when I attempt to open my
2005 version backup file "mbf", and I reproduce this issue when I try to use
the backup of my file that 2006 created. I then have to assume that Money
must write some registry bs that remains after an uninstall and makes the pc
think it has an earlier version, or something like that. So I perform a
System Restore to before I installed 2006. Which btw I noted that 2006 does
not write a restore point. All Microsoft software should imo or what's the
point.

But the successful system restore did not resolve this issue. I should be
back to where I was before the pc ever saw the 2006 disc, but I cannot get
2005 to open my files. So much for having backups.

David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
http://www.publishermvps.com
http://www.davidbartosik.com




 

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