The main file we use for our performance tests is about 16MB. We do
functional tests that create and manipulate larger files than that.

To reiterate what the MVPs have said, we don't have any performance or
functional limitations that should become evident at 10MB. I don't know the
genesis of the PSS advice around this file size, but it wasn't a result of
the product team's advice, and we'll try to get better information to our
users in the future.

-Russ Paul-Jones
MS Money Product Unit Manager
russpj[at]microsoft.com

"Tod DeBie" <tod_debie[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't think I had any corruption problems at all during this first few
years of using it (while my file size was under 10Mb).

As a support agent, I am sure they ask everyone who calls with a corruption
problem how large their file is. If none of them are under 10Mb, I can see
how they might form this idea.

I'm not trying to bash Microsoft. I own a good deal of msft stock and I've
met Bill Gates a few times. I like Microsoft, but I am growing to be
frustrated with MS Money.

Tod


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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I was thinking as I went to bed last night that I should have taken message
volume into account. However, please refer back to my last message on this
where I said "quicken isn't much better than MS Money (if at all).".

I think the numbers do show that QuickBooks is better, especially when you
factor in the fact that businesses probably have more data than most
personal users.

Tod


"Richard Bollar" <bollar[at]bollar.org> wrote in message
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Nice try!

However, you need to take the message volumes into account. I took the
message counts from Google Groups and came up with this:

Money

169051 855 0.51%


Quicken116749 692
0.59%


Quickbooks

45151 133 0.29%


To me, the difference between .5 and .6% of the total message volume is
negligible.

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"Tod DeBie" <tod_debie[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm not defending Money's data integrity. Repeat: I'm not defending Money's
data integrity.

I'm just saying there is no basis evident form reading tens of thousands of
posts here every year to say that Money corruption occurs as a function of
file size, regardless of what some moron at Level 1 Support says. They say
simple "blame the user" stuff like this to get you off the call quickly. You
should know this, working in the business. There is no evidence that a user
who creates a new file every time one reaches, say, 10MB, will never have
corruption problems and anybody who lets theirs grow over 10MB will
frequently have them. I've NEVER archived. I have roughly 60 MB of data
stretching back to '93 and beyond. I've had little corruption problems like
the scheduled items morphing to paycheck. I haven't had a global corruption
problem in several years. The last one was when I opened the file over WiFi
when it was already open on the desktop machine as well. Maybe I've been
lucky and maybe the File Size gremlin is just waiting to strike. But there
just isn't data to suggest that file size is causative to corruption
problems. But archive if you wish. (Personally, I'd think a good backup
strategy was a better choice.)

"Tod DeBie" <tod_debie[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So are the crashes...

-Jeff

I am sure that is true for some, but my system has never crashed or frozen
while in money (that I can recall). I suspect my data corruption problems
are simply a result of poor programming on the part of Microsoft.

Tod

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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Possibly the data corruption issue has more to do with the system crashing,
freezing up, or being shut off while MS Money is still running. Hmm, more
data in the file means you've been running it longer in order to enter all
that day, thus more chances of having freeze ups and system crashes to
interrupt it. Coincidence?

-Jeff

That is too bad... Now what?

"Scott W" <scottw2000[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm the Product Manager for a product that regularly manages terabytes of
data. In 10 years, we've not lost any customer data at all. No corruption
and almost no down time over several thousand customers. It is entirely
possible to write programs that don't have data corruption problems with
such small datasets as what is used with Microsoft Money (as well as much
larger datasets). I think I had fewer corruption problems with DBase in the
1980s than with MS Money.

I have about five years of data and my file size is just over 20Mb, so round
up and figure about 5Mb of data each year. It looks like Money is designed
to manage a year or two of data before archving and starting a new file.
This is basically what I was told by MS Money Support.

I just searched in google groups for an admittedly unscientific test:

alt.comp.software.financial.quicken gave 692 hits for corruption.

alt.comp.software.financial.quickbooks gave 133 hits for corruption.

microsoft.public.money gave 855 hits for corruption.

So it looks like quickbooks, the program for business use, has the fewest
problems with corruption and quicken isn't much better than MS Money (if at
all).

I don't think that most people use most of the new features in Money and we
would probably all be better off if Microsoft would focus on getting rid of
the corruption issues instead of new and mostly unused features, but then,
they would have to admit they have corruption problems...

Tod

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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QB also doesn't handle investments, a real fault in my opinion.

"Jeff P" <jeffpNO[at]SPAMruralramp.net> wrote in message
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The evidence suggests you are risking file corruption using Money. Since
almost any amount of use quickly leads to a file greater than 10MB, it's
pretty hard to weed out the relationship of file size to corruption. Since
file size directly correlates to collection data, collecting data might also
have a correlation with corruption.

BTW, you are more likely to get hurt in a car going 50 MPH down the highway
than in one that's parked in the garage.

"Tod DeBie" <tod_debie[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob,

One more time: they did not say it was a hard limit, they said that you are
risking file corruption if you go over 10Mb. Judging from the corruption
issues on this group, it seems that risks are real.

Tod

"Bob Peel MVP" <Bob_Peel[at]kiandraNOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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The 10mb file size is an urban myth! I have asked MS what is the largest
file they have tested against. Will post if I get an answer.

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.
For wishes or suggestions see
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
or for UK wishes http://www.microsoft.com/uk/support/money/feedback

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

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"Tod DeBie" <tod_debie[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have tried using Quickbooks for my small business, and hate it. I would
never try it for personal use. It doesn't even do what I want for my
business, which is its own target market.

What's this about a 10 mb file size limit? Last I checked my file was 24
mb...

.... maybe that's why it's corrupted. :-(

-Jeff

When your money file is small, switching from screen to screen is nearly
instant. With a larger file, it takes a few seconds to go to certain
screens.

The home page takes much longer to build with larger files.

The 'time items' list is the worst. It takes about 10 seconds to build a
list of a few dozen items.

On my 3GHz 512Mb RAM system, I would expect most operations on a 20Mb file
to be very quick. I've done a good deal of database programming and would
expect virtually all operations to be sub-second on a 20Mb dataset.

Tod

"Richard Bollar" <bollar[at]bollar.org> wrote in message
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Here is the support agent's name and ID: Angela : v-8anber

How large do they test to? Judging from the file corruption problems I see
on this board, they don't do a very good job of testing large files (if they
do it at all).

Tod

"Bob Peel MVP" <Bob_Peel[at]kiandraNOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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I haven't found that file size makes a significant difference in Money's
performance -- and it's so easy to get to 10Mb -- a new file that I create
would be 10Mb in less than a year.

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"Tod DeBie" <tod_debie[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Massimo Belgrano wrote:

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I don't know if it is possible to get paid support for your problem
or not. I doubt it would help, but perhaps it is worth a try.
Checking http://support.microsoft.com/ does not mention any version
before Money 2003.

What is a reference number?
Can i give a reference number for a corruption problem with Money 2000 ITA?

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