Cal Learner-- MVP wrote in message:

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Message gratefully received and acknowledged.

Dick Watson wrote in a message:

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Message gratefully recieved and acknowledged.

In microsoft.public.money, George H. Shaver wrote:

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microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser seems to have the
most action along those lines.

If the computer is new, you might need to go to java.com and
installed Java. It places an icon in the tray, but you can stop
that-- it might be via right-clicking that icon.

Two comments below,

"George H. Shaver" <patriot1[at]spamfree.cts.com> wrote in message
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Passport use with Money is not about storing these on the web. It's about
authenticating your access to your data and to web services provided to you.
I'm not sure the account numbers and passwords were a part of the Passport
sync-with-the-web scheme before M05 and even with M05s addition of Yodlee
integration, I'm not sure they are. But storing a great picture of your
financial situation on MSN Money web servers is part of picture in all
versions that have supported this. OTOH, as you note, the data is also
probably not completely secure on the FI's web site, either. (Nor is it all
that secure on their back room machines--did you catch the story some time
back about the AOL employee selling the mailing list to spammers? That's
probably the tip of a large iceberg.) Is MSN Money worse re. security than
the FIs? I'd bet not.

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I don't know how much of Money development has gone offshore. I'd bet not
much. It's not that big. I don't think where the code is written or who
writes it is the problem. I think the problem is about market dynamics and
how these result in the "code-to" requirements that the developers, wherever
they are, work to.

For the "big volume" stuff like Office, they want to grow infinitely by
selling yet another copy and the market for software is saturating. They
keep adding progressively more marginal features to products like Word and
then wonder why everybody is still running Office 2k. What have they added
that more than a few users need? How many users know how/bother to use even
10% of the Word 2K product? So what can they add to Word 06 that makes
people want to rush out and buy a copy? For the "home" stuff like Money,
they sell it for dirt--much more and many people just steal it--but have
support costs that aren't. The same problems of attracting customers to
upgrades occur here. The only way to grow the market is to attract
progressively less tech-savvy people to use the stuff. Thus the "not typing"
"effortless" mantra of dumbing-down becomes the number one design driver.

In the specific case of Money, they've grafted it to the Web division.
Reason #1 for this was that they wanted to move if from a business model of
"shipping new product" to a business model of "selling a service" or being a
"content provider". They didn't see any other way to make it profitable and
they are enamored of the AOL model: take money each month for doing
essentially nothing while having customers beg for new software you give
away essentially free. Reason #2 for this was their long term desire to move
Money from a PC-installed application to a Web-hosted service. The latter
they can charge for on a subscription basis which create a reliable revenue
stream without the bother of having to convince users to buy new copies of
the latest version. With the web service model of Money, they can also spend
less on since their support costs should drop drastically.

The largest downside of the "content provider" model is that the content
provider quickly decides that the content doesn't much matter, all that
matters is providing enough content with enough attractiveness to attract
eyeballs attached to wallets with desirable demographics to ads they can
sell and to draw the content viewers toward "value added" services that they
can make more money from. Do you think the producers of the 24 Hour Poker
Channel give two hoots about Poker? No. They know the viewers do and they
only want that honey which draws eyeballs to ads. The real customer is not
the viewer. It's the advertiser. They aren't selling you Poker. They are
selling the advertiser access to your eyeballs and, hopefully, your wallet.
Thus M05--and now M06--don't really do much to improve the product as a
personal finance manager--if anything, they are trying to wean us from
features--but do lots to mask its migration to the web based service and to
find ever more ways to deliver ads and vector us to things they can scrape
money from like home equity loans and great insurance deals and so forth.

For more on my take on M05, see http://umpmfaq.info/Money2005.htm. A
companion M06 page may be coming shortly. YMMV.

I would like to thank you also for your assistance. This is the first time I
discovered this means of support and I must say it is GREAT! How wonderful
both of you are to take your time to help me.

At the risk of pushing my luck, I was hoping I could ask one more question.

My Internet explorer doesn't work properly. I can not see Java applets and
can not play games on Yahoo. I wrote to Microsoft and asked them where on
their web site I could find the instructions how to fix the problem but I
was told that because my Internet Explorer came with my operating system,
and because my operating system came with my computer when I purchased it,
(don't they all?) I would have to contact the manufacturer of my computer.
Well --- the employees at Gateway are dumber that I am and they have not
been any help. Is there a newsgroup for Internet Explorer also?

Thank you again for being so helpful.

George


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

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I find it very difficult to believe that people would actually put there
account numbers and passwords to their financial institutions on one of
Microsoft's servers. It is especially difficult when you consider the
number of large company computers that have been compromised and the private
information of millions of people has been taken.

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Interesting you should say that. I have been feeling for some time now that
Microsoft is going downhill in the software writing department. Do you
think it is because so mush work is being done off-shore?

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No I have not. Now that I know what it means I can say that on several
occasions I did get a dialogue box that suggested I might have a recurring
transaction but I never saw the envelope with question mark. I also never
knew the FAQ page you pointed out existed. I always thought I was a
computer dummy but now...well....now I KNOW it!

Thank you very much for your assistance.

George

A way that doesn't turn off the basic feature for all future transaction is
to r-click on the icon and select the choices that tell Money you know it
thinks it's a recurring transaction but you don't care to have Money create
a scheduled item for it.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, George H. Shaver wrote:

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Potentially recurring transaction.

Enter "recurring" into the Ask Money box of help and select to read
about potentially recurring transactions.

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Go to Tools-> Options-> BillsAndDeposits and uncheck the last
checkbox.

1) Nothing in later versions REQUIRES a Passport unless you want to use some
Internet service like Yodlee downloads. Surely later versions encourage it
and suggest your pony might die if you don't use it. That having been said,
I cannot recommend a change from M02 to M05 and M06 isn't looking so
promising, either.

2) I'm surprised you've never seen this icon. See
http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=6.

"George H. Shaver" <patriot1[at]spamfree.cts.com> wrote in message
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I have used MONEY 2002 since it was put on the market. I have never
upgraded because that version does exactly what I need it to do and it
doesn't want a passport account so it can put all my personal information
onto the internet or Microsoft's computers.

However, tonight something strange happened and because Microsoft
documentation is difficult to find at best, I can not find out what I need
to know. (Or maybe I should say 'would like to know.')

I created a new account and started to enter a few past transactions that
occurred over several months. At the end of each month I balanced the
account. What was strange happened on the very last transaction. In the
check # column a little envelope with a question mark appeared and the check
number moved over to the left side of the column instead of the right side
where it usually is.

Does anyone know what the envelope and question mark mean? How can I get
rid of them and get the check number to return to the right?

Any info will be appreciated. Thank you very much.

George