Consider yourself lucky.

"Arge" <bigbc37(nospam)[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi arkangil

I have a lot of problems with Money, but speed is not one of them. I have a
fairly fast system but there are many out there that are more powerful.

Bottom line is I don't think money is causing your speed problem.

Bob
"arkangil" <jobox_99[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The last three versions of Money have been slow as molasses, even on new,
powerful computers. Plan to sit and drum your fingers for at least 10
seconds after you log on and after each time you press a button to complete
an action.

I am using M04 and have not upgraded to M05, but I hear that it is slower
than M04. It is said to be related to the switch the the so-called "Jet"
database.

Bill Gates should try his own software. Maybe he would realize what crap
his company is turning out.

Jack

"Jack Shearer" <aylict[at]msn.com> wrote in message
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They wouldn't be subjected to your stupidity.

Susan

<Tarantara> wrote in message news:eoeYl$jOFHA.244[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
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Hi Bob...

When you say "most" issues are related to the US version and on-line banking
issues; can you provide a bit more detail concerning the path you followed
to reach that conclusion?

Thanks,
T

"Bob Peel MVP" <Bob_Peel[at]kiandraNOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Glyn,

In what way would my sending my previous post to mvpga[at]microsoft.com benefit
the participants of this group?

T

"Glyn Simpson, MVP" <glyn[at]serf.org> wrote in message
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DW> What's worse is how many of Money's blatantly obvious issues persist
DW> from major release to major release. (The paycheck morph, the tax
DW> estimator garbled display, and the ignored updated date on a scheduled
DW> transaction being entered all come readily to mind.)

I think the champion is showing the "current balance" of an account
calculated based on the (selected!) future transactions that were entered in
the registry. This was so for ages.

I'm surprised that there never was any class action lawsuit. Money is not a
toy, it actually invites making very serious decisions basing on its
analysis - how much will I have when I retire, etc. - involving many
thousand dollars. Accordingly, someone who trusts this capability, may
suffer very serious financial losses when the numbers turn out to be wrong
because of double-counted deposit, for example.


Vadim

Thanks Harry

I don't really want to congest my machine with trial software and your
comments have just convinced me I should stick with what I have for now ---
no matter how dis-satisfied I am with the product.

Maybe some of us should get together and develop a half way decent product
with a modicum of customer service. We could make a fortune.

Cheers
Jack

"Harry Austin" <haustin[at]invalidtpgi.com.au> wrote in message
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This is surely true. It is also surely true that Money is hardly as close to
this ideal as MANY other software components of all levels of complexity
manage to achieve.

Of all of the software components I've used more than just incidentally over
long periods of time, I can only think of two that exhibited arguably
defective behaviors more often than Money. What's worse is how many of
Money's blatantly obvious issues persist from major release to major
release. (The paycheck morph, the tax estimator garbled display, and the
ignored updated date on a scheduled transaction being entered all come
readily to mind.)

No package can be perfect. Some at least appear to make an effort in that
direction. For Money, however, all I can conclude is that Microsoft truly
believes Most Users Prefer(tm) the bugs.

"Glyn Simpson, MVP" <glyn[at]serf.org> wrote in message
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Hello Glyn:
You wrote in conference microsoft.public.money on Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:56:35 +0100:

GSM> The specific bug you mention is also in Money 2004 - you're supposed
GSM> to cancel it in the budget first, and then delete the entry from the
GSM> bills/deposits area as a workaround.

I'm supposed to? by whom? is it documented? does Money issue a warning when
I do otherwise? From my perspective, it's 100% bug.

GSM> I personally think it's very difficult for any package to be
GSM> completely perfect down to the daily level.

I don't see why it's so difficult to make accurate arythmetic calculations.
Can you imagine Excel calculating the same cell twice, or forgetting to
remove the data in the deleted cell from the graph?

And it was only one example, to illustrate the degree of Money developers'
reluctance to work on the real problems affecting the very entity this
product is named after, and the degree of the results being off. I think,
however, that this example alone, and _especially_ the fact that this
"imperfection" was known but not fixed for the new release, is a perfect
proof that Microsoft Money is purely educational and enternatining product.


Vadim

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:37:44 GMT, Jack Shearer wrote:

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Hi Jack,

I was a committed Quicken user and for reasons like you describe I moved to
Money 2003.

However I recently installed Money 2005 [standard version] and experienced
numerous issues with it including unexpected terminations, program freeze,
persistent and unwanted messages to update [which required one to be logged
in as Administrator]. There also seemed to be less flexibility in the
reporting.

I reverted to Money 2003.

--
Harry Austin
Australia

Remove invalid for e-mail

Be aware that most of the negative comments and issues relate to the US
version and the way that on-line banking was implemented using a screen
scraper called Yodlee.

The UK and International versions haven't gone down that route and certainly
in the UK we have seen nothing like the gnashing of teeth (rightly so too)
that has shown up in the US version.

You might want to try a trial of the International version. See Glyn's
web-site at http://money.mvps.org/downloads/default.aspx for the download
address.

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.
For wishes or suggestions see
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
or for UK wishes http://www.microsoft.com/uk/support/money/feedback

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"Jack Shearer" <aylict[at]msn.com> wrote in message
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Thank you all for you advice.

I am mostly feed up with quicken because of their predatory behaviour
towards its customer base. I have been their customer since version 2 out
here and now they want to charge me to reactivate software I paid for when I
install it on a new machine.

It's not so much the cost but the company's attitude towards its customers
that I object to. It's not like their product is inexpensive to buy (Money
is a good deal cheaper) or that they have reduced its cost since they have
removed all vestiges of free customer support. Add to this the fact that
its forward planning is very superficial and its enough to make me seriously
consider moving on regardless of the fact that I really haven't the time to
learn a new product.

Looks like I'm stuck with Quicken for now. I'll just have to print out a
bunch of reports and develop my own solution in Excel (or maybe Access
eventually)

Thanks again
Jack

"Jack Shearer" <aylict[at]msn.com> wrote in message
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The specific bug you mention is also in Money 2004 - you're supposed to
cancel it in the budget first, and then delete the entry from the
bills/deposits area as a workaround. Obviously that's not how most people do
it, including myself. My budget isn't probably accurate, but my cash flow is
reasonably so. I personally think it's very difficult for any package to be
completely perfect down to the daily level.

The international version probably doesn't support apays as online banking
in non-US versions is different (in fact I'm not sure whether any Australian
banks are listed). We only have OFX import in the UK, which has meant that
there are a lot less complaints on our version.

Hence the idea to look at the product first - there are people out there who
are happily using (and a lot who weren't).

--
Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
http://money.mvps.org

Check http://money.mvps.org/faq for tips and fixes for MS Money. To send
Microsoft your product wishes see http://money.mvps.org/wishes.aspx

I do not respond to any unsolicited email regarding Money

"Vadim Rapp" <vr[at]myrealbox.nospam.com> wrote in message
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JS> I need now is a program that is able to also give me an accurate
JS> picture of future events/cash flow/balances down to the daily level.

Money will give you the picture, but it won't be accurate. There are many
scenarios when the dollars in the budget are just plain wrong. To give you
an idea of the scale of errors, here's just one example. When you cancel an
automatic payment, it stays in the budget. Suppose your landlord raises your
rent from $700 to $800. You cancel apay $700 and schedule new one $800. Then
the budget will show rent = $1,500, and projected cash flow will show 2
monthly withdrawals. Money shows some numbers and graphs, but you can't
trust them.

Vadim

"Jack Shearer" <aylict[at]msn.com> wrote in message
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This might help you decide
http://umpmfaq.info/Money2005.htm

If you have a problem with my posting as an MVP, please email
mvpga[at]microsoft.com with your concerns.

--
Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
http://money.mvps.org

Check http://money.mvps.org/faq for tips and fixes for MS Money. To send
Microsoft your product wishes see http://money.mvps.org/wishes.aspx

I do not respond to any unsolicited email regarding Money

<Tarantara> wrote in message news:ueiTADHOFHA.3076[at]TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
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Glyn ...

Answering Jack's question without a single reference to the ubiquitous
problems associated with MS Money 2005, including its reporting mechanisms,
reflects very poorly upon you and, through association, the MS MVP group in
general.

Your use of MVP in your signature invites additional responsibilities... you
must do better.

T

"Glyn Simpson, MVP" <glyn[at]serf.org> wrote in message
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I would give the international version a try, you can try it for 90 days for
free. A link to the MS site is at
http://money.mvps.org/downloads/default.aspx

The budget can get a bit complex, but because you're outside the US, you
won't have some of the issues with online banking which are frequently here.

--
Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
http://money.mvps.org

Check http://money.mvps.org/faq for tips and fixes for MS Money. To send
Microsoft your product wishes see http://money.mvps.org/wishes.aspx

I do not respond to any unsolicited email regarding Money

"Jack Shearer" <aylict[at]msn.com> wrote in message
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I have been a long time user of Quicken but am now looking for an
alternative. While Q is a very good program for looking back - what I need
now is a program that is able to also give me an accurate picture of future
events/cash flow/balances down to the daily level. I would particularly
like the ability to put in a number of senarios to give me the net result of
different financial decisions and to be able to compare the results--
preferably on screen and then be able to adjust the what ifs and save the
results for ongoing planning.

I don't need automatic downloads or some other features of the USA version
but (to repeat myself) what I do need apart from the ability to track
current spending and produce reports for tax purposes ect is very strong
future planning/budgeting aspects. I should also mention that I will need
to be able to use the program on two separate machines at different times.

I am in Australia so I presume we will be discussing the international
English version unless Money has some features specific to this country.

I would be very grateful for your advice not only about Money but any
alternative suggestions you may have.

Thank you


Jack