yes, how you think and approach as someone more experienced with the
product gives me insight and a feel for appraoching the problem

On 2005-02-16, jmoeller18 <jmoeller18[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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Deleting the duplicate downloaded paycheck is a fine solution.
Deleting the paycheck entry that has all of your detailed information
is not.

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I made a typo in that post that I didn't catch before I sent it.
I hope you understand that I'm just guessing (based on experience)
as to how it's done. I could be completely wrong about it.

On 2005-02-16, jmoeller18 <jmoeller18[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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The only time that I ever see the "change" button is on a downloaded
transaction before I've accepted it. What you're changing is
the match. The only reason to do this is if Money incorrectly
matched the downloaded transaction. There's no reason to change
a non-downloaded transaction.

it seems that the "change" feature is about "matching" transactions
it seems as if this matching is an automatic software feature and the
only related way to affect that i found
was following these instructions: change online service settings
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;832772

a search on the microsoft site using "money match" will bring up a
number of related search results
here someone is reporting my same problem. microsofts solution is to
simply delete the duplicate transaction
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;152687

however, you brought up a great point about the internal mechanism that
does or does not allow the transactions to show up or now show up again
when the statement has been reimported. it would be nice to have that
feature as an advanced option

thanks for all the details and support!
i have successfully moved past my need to "re-do" anything

however, with the next paycheck i added into the register, i no longer
seem to have the "change" option on the right click for the original
statement item. i instead marked it "void" for now.

I am going to try the balancing bank account feature once i get through
the entire bank statement
http://www.microsoft.com/money/suppo...ey05/ch6p6.asp

On 2005-02-13, jmoeller18 <jmoeller18[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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I would recommend against this.

1) I don't know about M05, but with M04, if I delete a transaction
that I've already downloaded, it has a tendancy to not download
that transaction again. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
and I completely figured out the scenarios when it behaves
this way and when it doesn't. I *THINK* keeps a list of OFX
transaction ID's that it's already downloaded, and if it sees
that transaction ID again, it simply ignores it - but this is
just a guess (that could be completely wrong).

2) You already have a perect history. Whether a manually entered
transaction in your register is matched to a downloaded
transaction does not determine the perfection of your history.
What determines that you've got a perfect history is if you can
reconcile the accounts with your bank statements.

I might just think about downloaded transactions differently
than you. For me downloaded transactions serve two purposes.
The first is to let me know about a specific transaction that
I didn't know about. E.g. my wife went to Citgo two days ago.
I'd beter categorize that transaction.

But with my paycheck, downloading serves a different purpose.
I've already entered all of the details of the transaction in the
register. THAT's the information that I want, not the downloaded
information. When I download that transaction, what I get is
information that the transaction has cleared the bank. That's it.

Imagine I download a paycheck transaction that doesn't auto-match my
manually entered paycheck. If I accidentally deleted the downloaded
transaction, I wouldn't care. Because I already have all of the
information that I need. I have the details of my gross paycheck and
where all of the different splits went to. And I know it cleared
the bank. In such a case I would simply mark the manual paycheck
"reconciled" and forget about it from that point forward.

The only time a downloaded transaction trumps a manual transaction
is if the amounts are different. Which occasionally happens with
my paycheck. For some reason, every few paychecks, one or the
other of my tax line items will be off by $.01. The fact that the
downloaded transaction has a different amount is my clue to go look
at my paystub to figure out where the error is.

IMHO, as long as the total transaction amounts match, don't fret
too much about deleting a downloaded transaction that represents
a manually entered transaction. DO fret about deleting previously
accepted downloaded transactions and manual transactions.

$.02

it works perfectly, i actually just tried it ( i shouldn't post until i
have actually tried it...)
now i wonder if i should delete the previous registry entries,
re-import and re-register and change so i have a perfect history...
i don't think leaving the first couple tries will hurt anything, i just
don't want it coming back to haunt me...

thats it! thanks!
yes i have M05 and that is very familiar from M04
i see the change option on the right click

On 2005-02-13, jmoeller18 <jmoeller18[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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I don't remember if you're using M05. I use M04. In that version
(and at least a couple of earlier versions) it's easy to manually
match a transaction that didn't automatically match. Just select
the transaction that you downloaded and click the "Change" button.
In the next screen there's an option to match the transaction to
an existing transaction in the register. Click that option and
choose the transaction from the list of transactions available.

Let me know if I'm still not understanding the problem and/or what
you're trying to accomplish.

the good news is, it seems that re-importing my bank statement was
successful in that i did not get a duplicate transaction for the
registery entry.

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<<<

this is exactly my problem! when i enter a transaction into the
register, it does NOT match the transaction that is already there from
the previous import of the bank statement. is there a setting some
where? please advise

On 2005-02-12, jmoeller18 <jmoeller18[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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If you're worried about matching the a downloaded transaction to the
wrong register transaction, I would suggest that it doesn't matter.
This is on the premise that the amounts are exactly the same.
If they are then it shouldn't matter. What you want to avoid is:

a) duplicate transactions that don't allow your register balance to
match your bank balance.
b) uncategorized transactions
c) downloaded transactions that match a transaction with a
different amount.

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I thought I understood what the problem is, but I don't understand
this recourse. So I'm very confused. Could you help me understand?

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I don't think that I concur, but I need more info.

now that we've went over the paycheck conceptially, i've actually
attempted to use it.

i must say i appreciate that i'm able to create a reoccuring
transaction for the one net pay distribution that is a stable number.
however, i was hoping it would be able to match the registry entry with
the transaction that was downloaded from the bank.

since both my wife and i, have the same net pay distribution to our
joint checking account, the statement line item both reads "ELECTRONIC
DEPOSIT". fortunately the memo line holds a partial match of the
employers name so i know which is which if they both fall on the same
day. unfortunately i can't use the payee name variation in the payee
rules manager to search the memo field.

so i have a scheduled transaction in bill summary and i select the
"enter in the register" to enter a particular paycheck into the
account. now in my joint checking line items, i have the orignal net
pay distribution line item labeled "ELECTRONIC DEPOSIT" and i have the
new version from entering it into the register.

i am assuming my only recourse is to delete the original because i of
course am more interested in the register version with its full set of
details. and show later, after deleting the original line item, i want
to re-import that months bank statments back in, i will have to go
re-delete the original line item.

do you concur that this is the situation i live with until the payee
name rules manager adds a payee name variation search on the memo
field?

Thanks in advance!
-Jeff