We can always dream!!

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Microsoft MVP - Money

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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I read it as they are just giving up trying to sign non-Microsoft entities
up. I can't imagine MS giving up on using it for MS services. What would
they replace it with?

"Bob Peel MVP" <Bob_Peel[at]kiandraNOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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What I find fascinating is the news that MS is backing off on Passport after
some of the big supporters backed off.

I wonder what this presages for Money?

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Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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The feature to make your data available to you via MSN Money web pages, if
you use a Passport, has been an optional feature in Money since at least M03
and probably earlier. It is not mandatory, even if you assign a Passport to
the file.

The new wrinkle in M05 is that use of that feature is now coupled to Yodlee
downloads. IF you Yodlee download, then you use this feature. Period. Yodlee
requires Passport. In M05, you can still use a Passport JUST for
authentication without Yodlee and without sync-with-the-web. If you use
Passport, you can use sync-with-the-web without Yodlee. The converse is what
you cannot do.

There are several reasons I can think of why these are coupled:

1) Not enough people were actually using the MSN Money access feature before
to rapidly advance their plan. The plan is to wean us all from dependence on
a locally installed licensed application toward using a web based
subscription service without our really noticing or caring. This helps move
another large chunk of users in that direction.

2) They knew the coupling to Yodlee was going to be troublesome, and the
wanted it to be available to exclusive MSN Money users. So, in order to
implement it once, do it in a way that they could easily keep tweaking it to
get it right, and do it in a way that involved the least development for the
(hopefully soon to go away) client side application software product called
Money they setup most of the Yodlee-to-Money stuff as server side
Yodlee-to-MSN Money code and just hooked the existing sync with the web
feature in Money to actually get the data into the client-stored file.

There's probably a third reason, but I'm just a skeptical curmudgeon and
those are the only two I can think of.

"Art McClinton" <art[at]nova.org> wrote in message
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If you have a passport password on your account, go to moneycentral.com
and log in using your passport and you will find that you can now view
all of your data over the web. Not only the accounts that are set up
for access by Yodlee for on line bannking but ever single account that
you manually enter into your machine.

It is a feature that is in Money 2005 to allow you to access your data
from anywhere via the web or even have Money loaded on several machines
and access the data from multiple machines.

This is why I do not place a passport pasword on my account. It remains
only on my machine (I hope)

Art

Gregg wrote:
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Don't bet your data on it. M05 requires you to use the sync with the web
feature if you want to use the Yodlee downloaded transaction data feature
that adds "thousands" of new financial institutions that can download data
to Money.

"Gregg" <usegroup[at]invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Lemmywinks wrote:
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AFAIK, your data is not kept on MS servers. It is kept in your data file on
your computer. The primary purpose of a passport account is to allow you to
authenticate to multiple financial sites from a single login from any
computer. Both Money and Quicken allow you to store various data on an
external server so you can access it from away from home, but this is
optional.

Gregg

Not true, in a strict interpretation of the word 'direct'.

If your bank supports direct statements or banking, Yodlee is not involved
and therefore Passport is not required. If your bank does not support
*direct* downloading to Money, the only way to do that is through Yodlee,
which requires Passport. I would characterize that downloading arrangment as
*IN*direct.

Many people use M05 for direct downloading from their bank without a
Passport. It's only if you want to download from a bank that doesn't support
Money, that you need a Passport.

You are correct in saying that if you have a Passport associated with your
Money file and sign up for downloading through Yodlee, that your data will
be stored on MS servers. For that reason I use neither a Passport nor M05.

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Chris Cowles,
Gainesville, FL


"Buy quicken with Money 05 referral" <Buy quicken with Money 05
referral[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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But true for the "thousands" added for M05 via Yodlee.

In microsoft.public.money, "Buy quicken with Money 05 referral" <Buy
quicken with Money 05 referral[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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Not true for many banks.

Does Microsoft think they are going to keep customers this way? Man, I'm
livid. I'm going to get my money back and buy Quicken tomorrow.

"Buy quicken with Money 05 referral" wrote:

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It seems for direct downloading from bank, you need to use PASSPORT. If you
use passport, you will be automatically signed up to store your info in
microsoft servers.

Friend, go to ING Direct and get 50$ for microsoft money 05 referal. Buy
quicken with that money


"Lemmywinks" wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, Lemmywinks wrote:

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Depends on your bank and what you mean by "automatically".

I recently purchased Money 2005. I previously used the 2004 version. The
main reason I did this is that I got really tired of manually downloading
bank statements into Money. I couldn't find a way to automate the process in
2004.

I did some serious comparisons with Quicken 2005 and ultimately decided to
stick with Money. Here's the problem. In order to automate the download of
my bank statements, I find I have to get a passport. Also, I read in a PC
Magazine article that this requires you to store your personal information on
Microsoft servers.

Frankly, I don't trust Microsof to keep my financial information secure and
not misuse it. SO...

I need someone to answer the following questions before I get my money back
on this product:
(1) What personal information of mine is stored on Microsoft servers?
(2) How do I minimize what is stored there such that I can still
automatically download my bank statements?

Finally, why the heck does MS Money 2005 require me to create a whole new
account when I just want an existing one to sync with my bank??? I don't get
it. After reading lots of posts about merging the two together again, I'm
afraid to do it.

Should I just get my money back and move to Quicken?