RESOLVED!
After a few fits and starts, having me do things I already tried,
Selina Cao in support services helped me fix this in three emails
responded to within 24 hours apiece. I have renewed hope for customer
service yet. Enouhg babbling - here's what worked for me...

If you use Passport to sign in Money, please disable Passport first to
check if it can solve the problem since the issue can be caused by the
association with Passport:
Remove Passport association
---------------------------
1. Open Money and sign into your Passport. Click the File menu, and
then select Password Manager.

2. Click Remove. Select "I want to remove Passport from my Money file"
and then click Next.

Note: if you have set up synchronization with MSN, you will need to
follow the instructions to remove the synchronization first.

3. Click Done.


I hope this helps some of you. I'm off to repost this in another
topic...

-Joel

A second option I didn't have to try, but I'll post nonetheless...

This is behavior is also caused by the update of Money program, please
try these steps to manually update the Money to the lastest version:
1. Close Money.

2. Click Start, click Run, input the path for the installation of
Money, add "mnycorefiles" after the path, and then click OK. For
instance, on my end, Money is installed under c:\program
files\microsoft money 2005\, so I should type the following command in
the Open box and then click OK:

c:\program files\microsoft money 2005\mnycorefiles

3. Locate manifest.xml in this mnycorefiles folder and copy it to the
Desktop.

4. Right click the manifest.xml file under the mnycorefiles folder,
choose Open With, and then click Notepad or Wordpad.

5. Change the beginning of the file from

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?> <Package> <Files
Time="2004-09-08T09:05" Version="14.0.150.1105" UIVer="TOK_UIVER"
PVersion="1105"
to

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?> <Package> <Files
Time="2004-09-08T09:05" Version="14.0.150.825" UIVer="TOK_UIVER"
PVersion="825"
6. Save changes and close the file.

7. Launch Money again and get Money updates.

I'm not giving up. Despite what I've read here, I've opened a case to
resolve mnybbsvc.exe problem. I also run a very clean laptop - I have
to. Plus, it's a freshly formatted machine as of three weeks ago.
Default install included SP2, so I can't blame this one on that. I
didn't have this problem before the first program update inside m05.
That update actually downgraded my program to the trial version, and I
made my first call to MS in 15 years to get it resolved. I hated
creating that Passport more than I can explain. I'm off my point - MS
should give us a registry key to clear this at SOME point, if nothing
else. Time will tell. I'll let you know what support tells me. I don't
have the msmoney.exe problem others have mentioned here, btw. Just the
Background Banking that I don't use for anything.

I agree. I maintain a perfectly clean system. No spyware, no crap, no
nothing but Safe Computing practices.


"Gary" <gatownsend[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Art McClinton wrote:
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I'm not buying the spyware/adware thing. I just formatted this hard
drive and reinstalled WinXP SP2 about 10 days ago. All security
updates have been installed and I have only installed a very limitted
number of programs like Office and Money so far. I keep antivirus
up-to-date and I haven't done any casual surfing where I could have
"picked something up". Plus, one of the first things I installed was
Microsoft's AntiSpyware Beta to test it out and have been running it
since reinstalling XP.

Regards,

Gary

Interesting. In my limited (<30DMBG) experience, I frequently had the
already running situation. It never failed to resolve itself in minutes not
hours.

Perhaps it's not spyware. Perhaps M05 just s***s.

"Art McClinton" <art[at]nova.org> wrote in message
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Gary you beat me to it. I actually went on a 4 day business trip and
returned to find that "Money was still trying to exit"

Art

ps - I was told by MS support that I must have a spyware that had
attached IE and was casuing it to crash and not return success. I did
run Adaware and found several programs that had attacked IE. Upon
removing them I did find that I had no further problems for close to 6
weeks until yesterday. Adaware does not find anything. So perhaps it is
a new varient that is not yet registered.

Gary wrote:
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Dick Watson wrote:
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I've exited the application, gone to eat dinner and come back an hour
later and got this on more than one occasion. While my PC may not be
the fastest (1.8gHz P4), it's no 286. I would tend to agree with what
you've proposed if it had only been closed for a minute or two, but I
think 30 minutes or an hour suggests it died trying to complete
whatever it was trying to do.
Regards,

Gary

Here's my bet for why you observe what you observe:

- M05 has exit-time cleanup tasks to do--a lot of them, apparently--and the
developers decided that users would not appreciate staring at a
non-responding UI with an hourglass while all this went on. The number of
running instances of Money that have been killed because they were "not
responding" to the UI, by users convinced "not responding" is some kind of
crisis by definition, is inestimable. This was an attempt to reduce the
number.

- So they kill the UI but keep the remainder of the app running in the
background completing all of this stuff. While they are doing all of this,
restarting Money gets the complaint "Money is already running"

- OSA (Office Startup Assistant is another task whose goal in life is to
make the apps seem zippier by doing things in the background when you are
not looking--and consuming resources in your machine forever while doing so)
is a similar kind of background app. As such, they are both low priority and
compete to be serviced. When OSA's not there, Money does its thing faster.
Therefore, when OSA isn't there, the window of vulnerable time for "Money is
already running" on a Money restart is reduced.

This was all driven by what Most Users Prefer(tm). M08 will substitute an
endlessly spinning globe for all of this. Again, this will be because Most
Users Prefer(tm) the spinning globe to "Not Responding" or "Money is already
running."

"Gary" <gatownsend[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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VoicesInMyHead wrote:
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Yep...you are correct. I disabled OSA.exe but I'm still having this
problem. I have to admit though, it's happening a LOT less frequently
than when OSA.exe was running. :-)

Regards,

Gary

Here to shoot holes in this theory. I don't have any Ms Office product at
all installed, and OSA.exe is not running on my system, and MSMoney.exe
lingers around on mine, too.



"Gary" <gatownsend[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tom,

Thanks for that post. I just installed M2005 on a PC after a fresh
install of Windows XP. I had only installed Office and a handful of
other Apps and was having this problem with Money not shutting down.
I'm sure I'm spyware clean since I've only installed known applications
and haven't done any surfing or downloading prior to installing Money.
Usually after installing office I remove OSA.exe from the startup group
because it has always been more trouble that it's worth...but I left it
this time. I'm removing it when I get home tonight and I'll bet this
solves my problem. Will post back after some tests.

Thanks again,

Gary

I have found a conflict with OSA.exe (Office startup). Originally it seemed
to be a conflict between Office 97 and Office XP OSA.exe. After deleting
the OSA for Office 97 it seem to work OK. Then later it came back again. I
have spent all morning trying various combinations BUT. when MSOFFFICE
(which is OSA.exe) is running in the Task Manager and I start and stop Money,
Money closes but continues running in the Task Manager. You have to stop the
Money Process in Task Manager before you can restart Money. If I stop
MSOFFICE (OSA.exe) Process in Task Manager, Money operates normally and the
process shutdown as it should.

"Tom Porterfield" wrote:

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Mark,

Sure, I know there's a reason for this and for some users it's nice to have
continually updated stock prices, etc. But for me I'd rather that Money
shut down all it's processes when I exit the application. For example, I
use ATI's MMC to get Tivo like recording of my favorite TV shows. However,
it will drop frames if Money's processes are still running. To me, its more
important to get good TV recording than to be up to the minute with my
finances.

Heck, I don't even use MM 2004 anymore so this is really a moot issue.
Thanks for the info though.

-Richard

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In microsoft.public.money, Tom Porterfield wrote:

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I don't know.

In Task Manager I see I can right-click a process and choose Debug.
I am a little afraid to try that.

I once installed a debugger/monitor from Microsoft that attached
instrumentation code to see if the code was well behaved from an XP
point of view. Did that slow Money up! I think I finally fixed that
by uninstalling that debugger and reinstalling Money into a
different folder. Or maybe I did a system restore. I don't remember.


It seems I used to be able to double click a task and get the
threads. That didn't really tell me anything. Perhaps that was the
Win98 task manager. But I agree that it would be nice if there was
some viewer that would show you what a process is up to. Maybe a new
super wintop.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:33:03 -0600, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

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The interesting thing is that after the initial shutdown where the program
uses a fair amount of CPU, the process basically goes dormant. Msmoney.exe
is still running but it isn't using any CPU cycles, not generating any IO
activity, the firewall shows no network activity generated by the process.

Disabling the network connection that it is using has no effect. It will
stay in that state until I kill the process. I have tried all the
suggestions in this thread, as well as playing with the configuration on
the network connection it is using, and the IE connection settings in case
msmoney.exe uses those settings as some other programs do. All with
basically no change.

Is there any way to get msmoney.exe to generate a log file of what it is
doing?
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Windows
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

In microsoft.public.money, Tom Porterfield wrote:

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In that case, we know you are not using background banking.

That is interesting to know.

Another thing to try if/when that recurs is
Start-> Settings-> NetworkConnections and right-click on your
connection that Money goes thru. If Money stopped that behavior
then, that could be of interest. I don't know where it would go from
there tho.

Re-enable the connection the same way.

I had that extended "already running" occur a couple times with
Money 2005 many months ago but not for a good while.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:21:50 -0600, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

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Specifics? How would I do that? I don't use any of the online services
other than updating a couple of stock quotes that I watch.

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Never had passport associated with my money file, any version. Still
don't, never plan to. If it ever becomes a requirement then I will stop
using Money.

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Hehe. Of course, but the reminder never hurts.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Windows
http://support.telop.org

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In microsoft.public.money, Tom Porterfield wrote:

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Did you try turning off background banking?

Have you tried removing the Passport from the file?

You know to make an extra copy/backup in case you don't like a
result.

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:26:00 -0500, Tom Porterfield wrote:

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And that has made no difference. Am trying some other things but too early
yet to know if it will affect anything. Will report back if it does.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Windows
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

Lookup 'Background banking' in Money's Help. The intent (whether it works
properly all the time is another thing) is that these background banking
processes will continue to work after you close Money so that when you
reopen Money all of your online data will be up to date.

-Mark
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