S> This is a perfect example of why I say using a $25 product
S> like Microsoft Money 2005 LINKED to yodelle, MSN servers,
S> uploading and downloading transaction data from banks and
S> brokers are ALL invitations to disaster at this point.

I think the root of the problem is in the today's programming techniques,
where error processing is ignored almost completely.

In the old-school programming, there were 5-10 lines of error-checking and
data validation per one line of the "main" code. Today, this became too
expensive. Many Microsoft internet server applications are written in
vbscript language where error processing merely does not exist. Hence, these
programs work satisfactory when everything goes well, but are totally
helpless in case of even slight problems. You can see it everywhere, and
every time when you are told "reboot your computer" as the 1st step in any
troubleshooting - it's because today's applications are not supposed to
gracefully handle any malfunctions. In this particular case, Money does not
care to validate the input data before importing it (a grave sin), and
crashes when one byte is wrong.


Vadim

"SJCOHEN730" wrote:

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JMHO
Lou

Lou,

Just curious, do you intend to stay with the new file OR return to your
old backup eventually.

If the latter, post back in the future and let us know if things are
still going well.

Regards,
JB

Lou wrote:
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don't need a third party provider like Gainskeeper telling me what to do. Steve

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you more than 5 or 10 minutes a day. I believe a lot of users are so hung up
with these so called downloads of transactions from their banks or brokers or
credit card companies thinking it is faster or easier. They then complain here
when they realize that the technology currently can't put the transaction data
exactly where they want it in Money, and in fact sometimes even screws it up.
JMHO. Steve

Thanks JB
I created a new file, entered my accounts, and downloaded statements from my
brokerage for the last 90 days. So far, everything is working fine. I
download from several institutions and have had virtually zero problems up to
this point.
Lou

"johnbusc[at]hotmail.com" wrote:

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Thanks for your humble opinion Steve.
When I posted here, I was hoping to get some help.
Not a sermon about using cheap software.
Where do you buy Money 2005 Premium for $25?

"SJCOHEN730" wrote:

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Steve wrote:

"if you enter the data manually like I do. Money 2005 CAN be a very
helpful financial software program if it is used carefully by people
who also have a sense for financial reporting, how to do it, and what
it means"

If I understand you correctly, manual entry in a $25 software package
can help me attain the qualities you mention.

JB

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SJCOHEN730 wrote:
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This is a perfect example of why I say using a $25 product like Microsoft Money
2005 LINKED to yodelle, MSN servers, uploading and downloading transaction data
from banks and brokers are ALL invitations to disaster at this point. The
technology has not reached a level that I would be comfortable letting my
complete financial data be controlled by some "automatic" data transfer. When
it crashes you spend more time trying to fix it than if you enter the data
manually like I do. Money 2005 CAN be a very helpful financial software program
if it is used carefully by people who also have a sense for financial
reporting, how to do it, and what it means. JMHO. Steve

Lou,

1. Do you download from any other banks/brokers? If so, do you get
the same results?

2. Does your broker support any other download formats? If so, do any
of these work?

3. In case its an account corruption issue, could you create a new
Money file, setup an account for your brokerage including Online
Services, and see what happens on the initial download?

If you get to number 3 above and no crash, you may want to go back to
your original backup, export brokerage account transactions, close the
account, create a new one, import your exported transactions, and see
if the downloads occur without crashing. Keep in mind that in creating
the new account, you may have some additional manual re-entry of
transactions to perform. This may be a problem if you've got many
years of data.

Best of Luck and let us know how as things progress.

Regards,
JB


Lou wrote:
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In microsoft.public.money, Lou wrote:

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OK... you said you tried repairing files, so you probably have done
salv.exe.

Does your file have a Passport? If not, I would enable logging of
the ofx files from your broker. Let's assume for the moment that
Money crashes again.

The plan would be to locate a flaw in the OFX file and to
File-> Import the modified file. This could be complex, and I don't
know how far you can get or want to go.

In microsoft.public.money, Lou wrote:

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I would try making repaired versions of the file you want with
salv.exe. Try level 2 and/or level 3.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Money 2005\MNYCoreFiles\salv.exe" may be
the location.

I've used Money for several years. Started using '05 about two months ago.
Two days ago I got a downloaded statement from my broker (an everyday
occurence). Money crashed. It just froze up. I had to use control alt delete
to get out. Now I have tried repairing files, restoring backups, you name it.
I finally did get a backup file that was about a month old to open and run. I
made a copy for safety. As soon as the statement was downloaded, this file
froze up. I just want to get my data back for the last month, I don't care if
I have to delete the statement. I'm afraid all my recent backups are
corrupted now. Some of them will open with correct balances showing on the
home page, but they are frozen. Sometimes they are just open for a few
seconds and I get The error message that "Microsoft Money has encountered an
internal error and must restart." As soon as it automatically re starts, it
disappears. I've also tried System restore at several different restore
points. Nothing seems to work. Any ideas?