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Old 08-05-2005, 02:13 AM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

Is downloaded transaction data involved here? See
http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q= for some possible thoughts. Have you looked
in the register at View All Transactions? Is it downloading as reconciled
and therefore you never notice it? If the balance is right, the money is
accounted for SOMEWHERE.

"mom in omaha" <mominomaha[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> My problem is a little different. I use both Wells Fargo checking and
> credit card. When I transfer a payment, the credit card balance reflects
> the
> payment and I think the checking account balance does too, BUT... It
> doesn't
> show up as a transaction on the checking account.
> I go to CC page, select electronic transfer, and move money from Checking
> to
> CC.
> Is that the problem? should I be on the checking account page? It offers
> a
> payment AND a transfer.
> Is there anyway to fix what I have done?



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Old 08-02-2005, 04:03 PM
mom in omaha
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer


My problem is a little different. I use both Wells Fargo checking and
credit card. When I transfer a payment, the credit card balance reflects the
payment and I think the checking account balance does too, BUT... It doesn't
show up as a transaction on the checking account.

I go to CC page, select electronic transfer, and move money from Checking to
CC.

Is that the problem? should I be on the checking account page? It offers a
payment AND a transfer.

Is there anyway to fix what I have done?
  #8  
Old 03-28-2005, 02:21 PM
Mark Horn
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

On 2005-03-26, Sharon <Sharon[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for the great suggestion!

You're welcome.
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Old 03-26-2005, 10:39 PM
Sharon
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

Hey Mark!

Thanks for the great suggestion! That's a good solution too... I posted
the same question in another thread and got three other good solutions too.
If you want to check them out, they are in the thread entitled:

Transfer categorized as income and expense


Thanks again!

Sharon

"Mark Horn" wrote:

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> On 2005-03-17, Sharon <Sharon[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > If I change my Checking account payment to "Special - Transfer: Mastercard"
> > then it creates a new transaction in my Mastercard account. Can I prevent
> > this and instead link it to an existing transaction there? Can I match the
> > existing and the newly added transaction? Should I just delete one of the
> > duplicated transactions?

> Dick's response is correct. But I want to add to it a bit.
> For now what you're going to have to do is just delete the duplicate
> transaction in the Mastercard account. There's no way to go back
> and match it after you've accepted it.
> Going forward you can make it a bit easier on yourself. Here's what
> I do so that I don't have to deal with this every time. I create
> a scheduled transfer from checking into my credit card accounts.
> I schedule this for around the same time that I sit down to pay
> my credit card bill. When I'm done paying the credit card bill,
> I simply go to Bills & Deposits, select the transfer to my credit
> card account, and click on "Enter into Register". It will ask me
> the amount. I enter what it was that I wrote on the check.
> Eventually my credit card company will see that they received a
> payment from me, and I'll download that transaction. When that
> happens the already existing transaction that I entered into my
> register will match the downloaded transaction in my credit card
> account. A few days later, my bank will see that I paid the bill
> and I'll download that transaction. Again, when that happens,
> the already existing transaction in my bank regsiter will match
> the downloaded transaction.
> Hope that helps.

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Old 03-18-2005, 07:50 PM
Mark Horn
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

On 2005-03-17, Sharon <Sharon[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
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> If I change my Checking account payment to "Special - Transfer: Mastercard"
> then it creates a new transaction in my Mastercard account. Can I prevent
> this and instead link it to an existing transaction there? Can I match the
> existing and the newly added transaction? Should I just delete one of the
> duplicated transactions?


Dick's response is correct. But I want to add to it a bit.
For now what you're going to have to do is just delete the duplicate
transaction in the Mastercard account. There's no way to go back
and match it after you've accepted it.

Going forward you can make it a bit easier on yourself. Here's what
I do so that I don't have to deal with this every time. I create
a scheduled transfer from checking into my credit card accounts.
I schedule this for around the same time that I sit down to pay
my credit card bill. When I'm done paying the credit card bill,
I simply go to Bills & Deposits, select the transfer to my credit
card account, and click on "Enter into Register". It will ask me
the amount. I enter what it was that I wrote on the check.

Eventually my credit card company will see that they received a
payment from me, and I'll download that transaction. When that
happens the already existing transaction that I entered into my
register will match the downloaded transaction in my credit card
account. A few days later, my bank will see that I paid the bill
and I'll download that transaction. Again, when that happens,
the already existing transaction in my bank regsiter will match
the downloaded transaction.

Hope that helps.
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Old 03-17-2005, 08:35 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

Once the two separate transactions are ENTERED in the register, the only way
out is going to be to delete/void one of them and convert the other to
"Transfer:[name]" (or "Credit Card Payment:[name]", but NOT Transfers /
Credit Card Payments).

This is why matching both downloaded items to the same one transfer, at the
time of the download(s), is important.

I don't download transaction data. I find it much easier than downloading
transaction data would appear to be.

"Sharon" <Sharon[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello there!
> I have read the quoted articles below and they still don't describe how

best
> to solve the problem. What is the best way to change two different
> downloaded transactions into two halves of the same transfer? I'm using
> Money 2005 in Canada.
> If I change my Checking account payment to "Special - Transfer:

Mastercard"
> then it creates a new transaction in my Mastercard account. Can I prevent
> this and instead link it to an existing transaction there? Can I match

the
> existing and the newly added transaction? Should I just delete one of the
> duplicated transactions?
> You'd think Money would make this task easier...



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Old 03-17-2005, 07:19 PM
Sharon
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

Hello there!

I have read the quoted articles below and they still don't describe how best
to solve the problem. What is the best way to change two different
downloaded transactions into two halves of the same transfer? I'm using
Money 2005 in Canada.

If I change my Checking account payment to "Special - Transfer: Mastercard"
then it creates a new transaction in my Mastercard account. Can I prevent
this and instead link it to an existing transaction there? Can I match the
existing and the newly added transaction? Should I just delete one of the
duplicated transactions?

You'd think Money would make this task easier...

Thanks for your help!
Sharon


"Dick Watson" wrote:

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> Maybe. As Cal notes, you may be looking for the "Transfer" "Special
> Category" which moves money from one Money Account to another. Transfers, by
> definition, are not Income or Expense. They are fundamental to using Money
> 05 Advanced and all previous versions of Money.
> Two unique properties of Transfer transactions in Money are 1) they always
> require a target account different from the account you are entering them
> in, and 2) they show up in the register of both accounts after being entered
> only once.
> Given those properties, if you are downloading, say, credit card
> transactions and checking transactions, you will have issues. This is
> because the banks are not smart enough to recognize that the two
> transactions are both halves of the same Transfer in Money. If you are
> downloading transaction data, see http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=147.
> You might also want to read http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=53.
> "mikeb" <mikeb[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:08C77F1F-2BB8-4073-A339-E09E0F47C1F2[at]microsoft.com...
> > The problem is as I stated before. I don't want them to show up as an
> > expence or income. Money does not seem to allow this. It sees the
> > transactions (an expense from one account, and income in the other) and

> wants
> > to define a category for them. I need a category called "Account

> transfer"
> > that tells money not to record it as an expense or income even though it
> > thinks they are.
> > > Understand?

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Old 12-20-2004, 01:48 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

Maybe. As Cal notes, you may be looking for the "Transfer" "Special
Category" which moves money from one Money Account to another. Transfers, by
definition, are not Income or Expense. They are fundamental to using Money
05 Advanced and all previous versions of Money.

Two unique properties of Transfer transactions in Money are 1) they always
require a target account different from the account you are entering them
in, and 2) they show up in the register of both accounts after being entered
only once.

Given those properties, if you are downloading, say, credit card
transactions and checking transactions, you will have issues. This is
because the banks are not smart enough to recognize that the two
transactions are both halves of the same Transfer in Money. If you are
downloading transaction data, see http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=147.

You might also want to read http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=53.

"mikeb" <mikeb[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> The problem is as I stated before. I don't want them to show up as an
> expence or income. Money does not seem to allow this. It sees the
> transactions (an expense from one account, and income in the other) and

wants
> to define a category for them. I need a category called "Account

transfer"
> that tells money not to record it as an expense or income even though it
> thinks they are.
> Understand?



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Old 12-20-2004, 04:56 AM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

In microsoft.public.money, mikeb wrote:

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> The problem is as I stated before. I don't want them to show up as an
> expence or income. Money does not seem to allow this. It sees the
> transactions (an expense from one account, and income in the other) and wants
> to define a category for them. I need a category called "Account transfer"
> that tells money not to record it as an expense or income even though it
> thinks they are.


Go to the bottom of the list under the SPECIAL heading and choose
Transfer. For the Sub-category select the account that you are
transferring to/from.

Is that what you are asking?

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Old 12-20-2004, 04:33 AM
mikeb
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

The problem is as I stated before. I don't want them to show up as an
expence or income. Money does not seem to allow this. It sees the
transactions (an expense from one account, and income in the other) and wants
to define a category for them. I need a category called "Account transfer"
that tells money not to record it as an expense or income even though it
thinks they are.

Understand?

"Dick Watson" wrote:

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> By definition, a Transfer is neither an Income nor an Expense. It's like
> taking a fiver out of your right pocket and, well, transferring it to your
> left pocket.
> If, say, you get a paycheck deposited in one account, in that account you
> will record the paycheck and account for its income (e.g., Wages and
> Salary:Gross) and expense (e.g., Taxes:Social Security Tax) components and
> the net amount deposited will be the net of your paycheck. You transfer it
> to the other checking account. It's just a Transfer--you didn't get richer
> (income) or poorer (expense). From the other account, you pay an electricity
> bill. You categorize that as Utilities:Electricity (an Expense).
> Maybe I don't understand your question.
> "mikeb" <mikeb[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1BF7A9B0-D821-46B1-A207-55A8B65349C6[at]microsoft.com...
> > Every few weeks I transfer a portion of my income to a different checking
> > account. How do I categorize the expense / income transactions in each
> > account?
> > > I don't want them to show up as an expense or income if possible.

 
Old 12-17-2004, 03:54 AM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: How to categorize an account transfer

By definition, a Transfer is neither an Income nor an Expense. It's like
taking a fiver out of your right pocket and, well, transferring it to your
left pocket.

If, say, you get a paycheck deposited in one account, in that account you
will record the paycheck and account for its income (e.g., Wages and
Salary:Gross) and expense (e.g., Taxes:Social Security Tax) components and
the net amount deposited will be the net of your paycheck. You transfer it
to the other checking account. It's just a Transfer--you didn't get richer
(income) or poorer (expense). From the other account, you pay an electricity
bill. You categorize that as Utilities:Electricity (an Expense).

Maybe I don't understand your question.

"mikeb" <mikeb[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Every few weeks I transfer a portion of my income to a different checking
> account. How do I categorize the expense / income transactions in each
> account?
> I don't want them to show up as an expense or income if possible.



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Old 12-17-2004, 02:35 AM
mikeb
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Default How to categorize an account transfer

Every few weeks I transfer a portion of my income to a different checking
account. How do I categorize the expense / income transactions in each
account?

I don't want them to show up as an expense or income if possible.
 

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