In microsoft.public.money, Chris Cowles wrote:

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I used to think that.

You must be referring to online updates expiring after x years. They're not
making the software unusable after a certain date, they're simply not
offering the data service on their servers. Your software will still do
everything with the data you enter. It will even still go get the data from
wherever it's offered. It's just that nobody's offering it.


"Ion Control" <IonControl[at]echobase.rebelalliance.net> wrote in message
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....and then, after everyone saw the glorious result, perhaps they would
decide that enough is enough once again and now dump the Yodlee stuff?

:-)

IC> MS is using its size for good for a change.

You are assuming that every change is good by definition. Disagreed. You
must be young.

IC> They're forcing market change. They're not allowing companies to save
IC> money by using outdated systems that only hurt the customer.

I don't see why outdated systems only hurt the customer. If those systems
were good at the time they were developed, why would they hurt today?

Speaking about the IT in particular, the programming culture one-two-three
decades ago was merely incompatible to today's - even without the
offshoring.

Microsoft Money, by the way, is a perfect example. Compare nearly any
feature of Money 95 to Money 2005, and '95 will perform it 100 times faster,
with 100 times less requirements to the memory, and without inexplicable
inconsistencies in budget, bills, and elsewhere. And without the ads.


Vadim

In microsoft.public.money, Ion Control wrote:

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The software will continue to work, except for downloading quotes,
epaying, and for importing statements. Manual price and transaction
entry , display and reporting will still operate, as well as QIF
export and import of whole accounts.

I understand that all Banks that MS know of that support OFC also support
OFX. However there is bound to be one.....

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Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

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"Ion Control" <IonControl[at]echobase.rebelalliance.net> wrote in message
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I have to disagree with leaving a feature in for just one user. If this
happens, there's no compulsion to switch. I bet you'll see several banks
upgrade their systems this year because their customers will be upset that
M05 doesn't read the statements. MS is using its size for good for a
change. They're forcing market change. They're not allowing companies to
save money by using outdated systems that only hurt the customer. Bravo MS!
When a particular function is so outdated as to only be used by a small
minority of the population, it should be dropped, espcially if it hampers
progress to new and better methods.

My only beef would be MS's practice of setting "time bombs" in the software
that supposedly make it unuseable after a certain date. We SHOULD be
allowed to keep legacy software in case we need it. OTOH, every EULA you
ever agree says you don't own the software, so you basically have no control
over it. Microsoft simply extends you a revokable license to use the
product. Since you don't own it, you can't really demand anything (aside
from buying the competitor's product) and they have full rights to only
"rent" you the software for a certain period of time.

Ah, the wonders of the Digital Age

"Vadim Rapp" <vrapp[at]nospam.polyscience.com> wrote in message
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Ignoring my flippant answer ;-)

In an ideal world I would agree, but the problem is that import of
information isn't as simple as just changing colors on a screen. There's the
matching algorithm and subsequent windows , the display of information in
the register, the use of OFC in the account lists and then, the clincher, if
you don't remove it, someone is going to continually use it as infinitum and
it becomes too expensive to support and maintain. Testing would need to
occur for this part each time due to code changes and the interdependencies
of the parts of the product.

There are people out there using dos and stuff from well before that - I
can't see MS wanting to carry on supporting them for another 5-10 years and
perhaps now, with the Yodlee stuff, MS have decided enough is enough. Over
here in the UK, we have less banks which provide statements so it's not
really a problem for us, but you at least have a lot more competition in the
banking sector which encourages banks to use more up to date stuff and so
customers asking for banks for things like that has more chance of working
(probably not a lot, but you can vote with your feet more than we can). And,
of course, there is no need to upgrade to 2005 at this time, unless your
online services have run out on a previous version.

Money unfortunately has gone through a lot more iterations than Word has,
and because it's a consumer product, i'd reckon that they are more likely to
remove stuff because the business community is a lot louder than us.

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Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
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"Glyn Simpson, MVP" <glyn[at]serf.org> wrote in message
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"Background repagination" is the first one on mine ;-)

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"Vadim Rapp" <vrapp[at]nospam.polyscience.com> wrote in message
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GSM> You will need to get your bank to change to the standard OFX instead
GSM> which has been available for many many years.

That must be a really easy task :-)

Did you notice what is the #1 option on the "general" tab of MS Word? "Blue
background, white text". See what I mean?

MS shouldn't remove the feature unless they are 100% positive it does not
have even one use.


Vadim

It won't come back. It was invented by MS for money 97, then supplemented
the following year by OFX which was designed in conjunction with Intuit. MS
continued to have it in Money until last year's version. You will need to
get your bank to change to the standard OFX instead which has been available
for many many years.

--
Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
http://money.mvps.org

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for UK tips and fixes for MS Money. To send Microsoft your wishes or
suggestions, use http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
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"IMPORT OF OFC" <IMPORT OF OFC[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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This was a deliberate act by MS. Support for OFC was removed from M05. It
supports QIF & OFX only. OFC was created in 1997 by Microsoft, then
replaced in 1998 by OFX which is like an enhanced version of OFC and was
also supported by Intuit and other companies. As OFC was 7 years old, had
several limitations and only used by a few banks that tended to support OFX
anyway, it was dropped in order that MS could simplify things.

So I think it very unlikely that it will be added back in, but then pigs do
fly!

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Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

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"IMPORT OF OFC" <IMPORT OF OFC[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Actually, as a proportion of the complaints about M05, OFC hasn't been a
heavy hitter.

"IMPORT OF OFC" <IMPORT OF OFC[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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IT IS AN absurd HAVE SO MANY COMPLAINTS AND HER SIMPLY TO IGNORE THE USERS