How do you correct the conversion problem???

"Michael Gordon, MVP" wrote:

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Initially, I did not transfer. I closed the accounts that were to be
transferred without transferring anything. I then opened new accounts, and
downloaded the assets tothem via the brokerage online services function of
the new accounts, now at a different broker. In retrospect, I simply could
have renamed the accounts and changed the info to the new brokerage for
online services, but I figured the new brokerage would know nothing of the
dividneds and interest in the old brokerage, and wished to keep them
entirely separate in case I needed to return to the old data. . .

When the conversion from m04 to m05 was carried out, there were a lot of
issues regarding stock splits. In trying to correct these issues, it is
possible that I at one point reopened the closed (but complete) older
accouts and responded in various ways to the screen that recognized that I
was closing an account with open postitions, and then asked if I wished to
trasfer those assets instead. I figured why not give it a try. But I was
trying so many things back then that I do not recall exactly how I answered,
and when I did not get the results that I expected, how I returned to the
intitial portfolio, prior to that latest attempt at making the converion
plausable. It is possible that I made some errant transfers, but the issue
began with the conversions. That is when I noticed the accounts not
diplaying the proper totals. From the responses here, there were perhaps
the majority who simply had incorrect starting balances, but there are still
plenty who continue with incorrect balances, beyond that issue. Perhaps
some will respond to this so we can see if others have the same problems as
myself.

The general principal of eliminating accounts till the problem goes away,
then adding them back one at a time, till it reappears saved the day for me.
Note that you don't have to delete the account, but rather simply do not
include it in the portfolio that is to be displayed. This feature makes it
relatively easy to troubleshoot each account, to see it influence on any
abberant totals.

"Mark" <abcd[at]abcd.com> wrote in message
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Do you know how this happened, or better yet, how this could be reproduced
in a new file?

Do you remember how was this transfer done originally? Via the Record a
special activity - Transfer an account, via the Retirment wizard, or via a
manual process (e.g. cut and paste each transaction into another account).

-Mark

"woppenhe" <woppenhe[at]ucla.edu> wrote in message
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What was suspicious about those entries?

The account in question was a mutual fund account that held only the funds
one specific mutual fund. We found some assets that were not mutual funds,
but rather regular stocks that had been transferred from an account which
was in turn then closed. These transfers were intended for a retirement
account that was in fact misdisplaying the totals, but they certainly did
not belong in the mutual fund account. These stocks did not show in the
summary screen of the mutual fund account, either. You had to look at the
transactions register. Thus when we identified the account in question, and
examined it, we noted the extra stock symbols that did not belong there. At
that point, we exported that mutual fund account, and deleted it from mm05,
then reimported it and the extra stocks that did not belong there were gone.
The totals for all of the accounts were correct, regardless of the view.
There was an initial account balance to reset, and that was it. Now if I
can only get the synch feature working, I will be back to where I started
before the conversion but 3 months later. Whew.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, woppenhe wrote:

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That is very interesting. Congratulations!!!

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What was suspicious about those entries?

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Thanks for the information.

Finally tracked down the problerm and now have MSMoney05 working the way it
was intended. Neither the issue and the solution were obvious. There were
15 accounts and some of them had assets that when viewed in the portfolio
section presented different Market Total vauations depending on whether one
was viewing the portfolio with the positions view or with the accounts view.

Naturally enough, I felt the issue should reside with either the assets in
question, or in the accounts that held them. Neither assumption was true. I
customized the portfolio view to exclude all the accounts and added 7 back
at a time. Interestingly, the first 7 ran in the portfolio page just fine,
but the second 7, when added casued incorrect values, not within the second
7 accounts, but in the totals a few of the of the first 7. I then added
each of the 7 accounts back one at a time until I identified the specific
account that was causing the incorrect totals. That particular account
itself had correct totals, but when added to the portfolio section produced
incorrect results in other accounts. I exported that account, then deleted
it from msmoney, and then imported the account from where I had exported it.
Then, after having 'laundering' the account in question by exporting it and
importing it, I reselected all of the accounts that I wanted ijncluded when
I went to portfolio viewing, and now the program had correct totals for all
accounts.

My visiting nephew knew how to isolate the account in question. He had
experienced many errors after he coverted to M05, and had employed that
method to find errant accounts. He is a software engineer by training. I
knew the export-reimport trick from this newsgroup, so together we recovered
the account and purged it of what must have been errant data. Before we
exported and deleted the account we looked at it and found some suspicious
entries. After the exporting and re inporting, these entries were gone, so
something about the export and inport format cleansed the file in question.
Of course we experimented with a copy of the mny file, leaving the original
aone until we were confident that we had identified and cured the problem.

I hope this helps someone else. To this point there was little
gratification in identifying either the problem, or the solution. Thanks to
all those who took time to help along the way.

I believe that the initial problem occured with the conversion of my data
from M04 to M05.

"w_oppenheim" <woppenhe[at]ucla.edu> wrote in message
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I will follow your cogent suggestions, and actually have already done so
previously, but I will redouble my efforts now. The question in the back of
my mind is why a position in a closed account should figure into the totals
when I have specificallyexcluded that account from displayng in the
portfolio views.

"Mark" <abcd[at]abcd.com> wrote in message
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If it's only "Positions View" that is off, that may imply that the same
investment is recorded in more than one account and so when the "positions"
are totalled, it results in the values you see.

You might be able to determine if this is the case by checking each of your
accounts to see if there were any reference to that investment (also be sure
to check Closed accounts/positions).
If you identify the account that may be causing the discrepency, try Closing
it (or re-Open it) and then compare the values in the two views. Also see if
there is something unique/different about that account (for example: set to
a different currency)

-Mark

"w_oppenheim" <woppenhe[at]ucla.edu> wrote in message
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The prices are up to date, and it is only a specific few that has the wrong
totals. This is only in the positions view of the portfolio screen. Even
though there are a few issues
whose total is off, most are correct. The over all total at the bottom of
the page is correct. It is just that x shares times y price doesn't equal
the total shown for a few stocks. In the accounts view, everything that is
visible is correct, including the totals for each stock in each account.

"Mark" <abcd[at]abcd.com> wrote in message
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Thoughts:

Is the "As Of" date set for today?
Is it a specific investment? Which one? Is Last Price correct (if not shown,
add that column). Does the MSN Money website show the same price (or
similar, if looking while the market is still open)?
Is there some manual price entry that is throwing off the calculations?
Is it only in a specific "View"? If so, which ones show the incorrect values
and which ones show the correct values?

-Mark

"SKB 1950" <SKB 1950[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I have the same problem that started when I loaded Money 2005. I spend 2
hours on the phone with Microsoft; looked ok until I turned the computer off
and back on. I've just removed the Market Value from the columns that I'm
viewing - irritating!

"Kevin Kiefer" wrote:

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So you have this problem as well currently, and have not been able to
correct it?

"Michael Gordon, MVP" <gordonm[at]denison.edu> wrote in message
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I'm not sure the conversion is the issue -- while I see the problem in 05, I
also saw it in previous versions.

--
Michael Gordon
MVP


"w_oppenheim" <woppenhe[at]ucla.edu> wrote in message
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Yodlee doesn't seem to do it much better. My bonds at Quick and Reilly are
not reported correctly at the yodlee site, so I would not expect them to be
reported properly to my money program file either. They don't answer their
email either. On the other hand, direct downloads from Quick and Reilly are
correct. Thus I now avoid Yodlee as well as synch at msn money. There are
obviously a lot of errors in these programs at present, depending on how you
want to use it. I now rely on the brokerages for summary data. MS money is
still broken for me. I haven't been able to use synch for msn money, though
it does work for brokerage accounts. Bank of America needs to have the
transactions brought in by initiating the transfer of information at the BOA
site. But at least it is possible. The program works, but not as well as
previously. I agree with most of the posts advising upgrading till they have
it sorted out.
"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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The investments home page cannot add the colum of numbers correctly either,
but that is another issue. I don't use that page at this point. Just the
portfolio manager.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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That is the issue. I have been unable to get the market value balance number
to relfect the current number of shares times the current price of the stock.
Only in the position view of the portfolio manager. Interestly, the total
of the incorrect market balances is correct. The same total that shows when
using the account view or other views. Any ideas of how the program
calculates the current market value. It must do it differently for the total
of the market values of all the stocks, than for any one stock, since it
displays an incorrect value for, as you put it, selected stocks.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, w_oppenheim wrote:

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To make sure we are talking about the same thing, in the Portfolio
Manager view you get high Market Value column numbers for some
stocks when you select GroupBy: Position-- or in fact any choice
except for GroupBy: AccountName? However the Market Value column
total is correct. Is that it?

Is that what you were saying in
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...y.noc.ucla.edu
and
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...y.noc.ucla.edu
?

It does not appear to be what you were talking about in
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...y.noc.ucla.edu

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Yes, I have the same problem, and no one has responded for several months to
my pleas for help. The account view shows all of the ocrrect values. I
have even deleted a few isolated stock transactions and reentered them, and
in fact deleted the stock symbol that went with them, just ot show that I
had no spares left over in other accounts. When I re entered the deleted
transaction as new transactions, with the original dates, I got the same
error. I believe it has something to do with the conversion to the new
database format and the situation initially with the stock splits that was
raising havoc with more than a few of us. Those issues appear to be behind
us, but not this one. Perhaps if a few more of us complain. . . . Let me
know if you come up with a fix.


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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I get the same issue and yes, in Portfolio View it does the same thing even
when I group by AccountName.

Any thoughts? I've noticed this problem ever since I upgraded to MSM2005.

-Shah

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, Kevin Kiefer <Kevin
Kiefer[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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If you GroupBy: AccountName, do you get the same problem?

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