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Old 11-06-2004, 12:16 AM
Michael Gordon, MVP
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Default Re: Taxable IRA distribution

Another way to do it --not elegant, to be sure -- is to avoid a transfer,
just do an expense in the IRA account (and categorize it as some kind of
miscellaneous transaction) and a deposit in the taxable account (and
categorize it as some kind of taxable transaction).

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Michael Gordon
MVP


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:Oa5%23Ks4wEHA.3976[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
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> Well, the problem I'm still struggling with it that, in general,
> "Transfer" and "categorize as taxable income" (or IRA distribution or
> whatever) are contradictions in terms. A Transfer can't be categorized.
> What I think you are describing is two separate transactions: one that
> reduces the shares and the other that "invents" that income from thin air
> so it can be categorized. This is clearly one way to do this, but it seems
> kind tacky. I don't know of a better one.
> Money very badly needs to add support for post-acquisitive users.
> Scheduling investment sells, accounting for 401k and IRA distributions and
> their tax implications and so on. It's been obvious for several years that
> this is a requirement. Instead we get an ever-enhanced advertising
> delivery engine. Go figure.
> "BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
> news:eULqX03wEHA.3808[at]TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Yep, will try to remember what I did last December <g> > There were three transactions from Ira and Sep accounts last December;
> > the transactions were decreases in the accounts rather than transfers ;
> > the "decreases were to a cash account thence to a money market account
> > ,the category was "Retirement Income: Ira Distributions.
> > I will admit this is not a proper way to account for taxable income from
> > "qualifiwed accounts" such as ira's and seps,however ,it was the only way
> > I could get the distributions to flow to the Retirement Income Category
> > /Ira Distributions so that "TaxCut" could pick it up .
> > Each Money beta I have tested I have filed a "bug" report on the way
> > Money neglects the distributions from Ira's and Sep's ,the answer was
> > "maybe next year"; finally one of the Money program persons called me
> > this year and agreed that a tranfer should be categorized as taxable
> > income and flow to the Retirement Income/Ira distributions.
> > Hopefully the above will be helpful.
> > > > > "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in

> > message news:%23lGIlzzwEHA.2632[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > BobC, Could you expand on this?
> > > > > "BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
> > > news:%23OgjXnzwEHA.1512[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > I set up a transfer from an IRA account to a cash account,then do a
> > > > transfer to a checking account an catagoritize this transfer as taxable
> > > > income.
> > > > > >


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Old 11-05-2004, 10:08 PM
BobC
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Default Re: Taxable IRA distribution

"Agreed on all counts" <g
"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:Oa5%23Ks4wEHA.3976[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Well, the problem I'm still struggling with it that, in general,
> "Transfer" and "categorize as taxable income" (or IRA distribution or
> whatever) are contradictions in terms. A Transfer can't be categorized.
> What I think you are describing is two separate transactions: one that
> reduces the shares and the other that "invents" that income from thin air
> so it can be categorized. This is clearly one way to do this, but it seems
> kind tacky. I don't know of a better one.
> Money very badly needs to add support for post-acquisitive users.
> Scheduling investment sells, accounting for 401k and IRA distributions and
> their tax implications and so on. It's been obvious for several years that
> this is a requirement. Instead we get an ever-enhanced advertising
> delivery engine. Go figure.
> "BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
> news:eULqX03wEHA.3808[at]TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Yep, will try to remember what I did last December <g> > There were three transactions from Ira and Sep accounts last December;
> > the transactions were decreases in the accounts rather than transfers ;
> > the "decreases were to a cash account thence to a money market account
> > ,the category was "Retirement Income: Ira Distributions.
> > I will admit this is not a proper way to account for taxable income from
> > "qualifiwed accounts" such as ira's and seps,however ,it was the only way
> > I could get the distributions to flow to the Retirement Income Category
> > /Ira Distributions so that "TaxCut" could pick it up .
> > Each Money beta I have tested I have filed a "bug" report on the way
> > Money neglects the distributions from Ira's and Sep's ,the answer was
> > "maybe next year"; finally one of the Money program persons called me
> > this year and agreed that a tranfer should be categorized as taxable
> > income and flow to the Retirement Income/Ira distributions.
> > Hopefully the above will be helpful.
> > > > > "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in

> > message news:%23lGIlzzwEHA.2632[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > BobC, Could you expand on this?
> > > > > "BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
> > > news:%23OgjXnzwEHA.1512[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > I set up a transfer from an IRA account to a cash account,then do a
> > > > transfer to a checking account an catagoritize this transfer as taxable
> > > > income.
> > > > > >


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Old 11-05-2004, 09:57 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Taxable IRA distribution

Well, the problem I'm still struggling with it that, in general, "Transfer"
and "categorize as taxable income" (or IRA distribution or whatever) are
contradictions in terms. A Transfer can't be categorized. What I think you
are describing is two separate transactions: one that reduces the shares and
the other that "invents" that income from thin air so it can be categorized.
This is clearly one way to do this, but it seems kind tacky. I don't know of
a better one.

Money very badly needs to add support for post-acquisitive users. Scheduling
investment sells, accounting for 401k and IRA distributions and their tax
implications and so on. It's been obvious for several years that this is a
requirement. Instead we get an ever-enhanced advertising delivery engine. Go
figure.

"BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
news:eULqX03wEHA.3808[at]TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Yep, will try to remember what I did last December <g> There were three transactions from Ira and Sep accounts last December; the
> transactions were decreases in the accounts rather than transfers ; the
> "decreases were to a cash account thence to a money market account ,the
> category was "Retirement Income: Ira Distributions.
> I will admit this is not a proper way to account for taxable income from
> "qualifiwed accounts" such as ira's and seps,however ,it was the only way
> I could get the distributions to flow to the Retirement Income Category
> /Ira Distributions so that "TaxCut" could pick it up .
> Each Money beta I have tested I have filed a "bug" report on the way Money
> neglects the distributions from Ira's and Sep's ,the answer was "maybe
> next year"; finally one of the Money program persons called me this year
> and agreed that a tranfer should be categorized as taxable income and flow
> to the Retirement Income/Ira distributions.
> Hopefully the above will be helpful.
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
> message news:%23lGIlzzwEHA.2632[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > BobC, Could you expand on this?
> > > "BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message

> > news:%23OgjXnzwEHA.1512[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > I set up a transfer from an IRA account to a cash account,then do a
> > > transfer to a checking account an catagoritize this transfer as taxable
> > > income.

> >


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Old 11-05-2004, 08:19 PM
BobC
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Default Re: Taxable IRA distribution

Yep, will try to remember what I did last December <gThere were three transactions from Ira and Sep accounts last December; the
transactions were decreases in the accounts rather than transfers ; the
"decreases were to a cash account thence to a money market account ,the
category was "Retirement Income: Ira Distributions.
I will admit this is not a proper way to account for taxable income from
"qualifiwed accounts" such as ira's and seps,however ,it was the only way I
could get the distributions to flow to the Retirement Income Category /Ira
Distributions so that "TaxCut" could pick it up .
Each Money beta I have tested I have filed a "bug" report on the way Money
neglects the distributions from Ira's and Sep's ,the answer was "maybe next
year"; finally one of the Money program persons called me this year and
agreed that a tranfer should be categorized as taxable income and flow to
the Retirement Income/Ira distributions.
Hopefully the above will be helpful.



"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:%23lGIlzzwEHA.2632[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> BobC, Could you expand on this?
> "BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23OgjXnzwEHA.1512[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I set up a transfer from an IRA account to a cash account,then do a
> > transfer to a checking account an catagoritize this transfer as taxable
> > income.



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Old 11-05-2004, 12:37 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Taxable IRA distribution

BobC, Could you expand on this?

"BobC" <rmc2k[at]acworthcablenet.net> wrote in message
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> I set up a transfer from an IRA account to a cash account,then do a
> transfer to a checking account an catagoritize this transfer as taxable
> income.



 
Old 11-05-2004, 12:17 PM
BobC
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Default Re: Taxable IRA distribution

I have tried to get MS to allow a catagory for transfers from "qualified
accounts" such as Seps,Ira's for several years, I was told by one of the
Money folks that this may be done in the next version ,but don't hold your
breath :-)
I set up a transfer from an IRA account to a cash account,then do a transfer
to a checking account an catagoritize this transfer as taxable income.
FYI, Quicken has been allowing this for years without "jumping through
hoops" as we have to do in Money.

"Treadmill" <treadmill23nospam[at]email.com> wrote in message
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> I'm trying to get taxable information for this year, and ran across a
> problme that you can't catgorize transfers, or treat them as income when
> they go from a tax fee account to a taxable account.
> I searched the newgroup and saw some discussion and cumbersome workarounds
> discussed back in March 2003.
> Is there a solution (perhaps in 2005) or does anyone have any better
> workarounds.
> Thanks
> TM



  #-1  
Old 11-05-2004, 12:22 AM
Treadmill
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Default Taxable IRA distribution

I'm trying to get taxable information for this year, and ran across a
problme that you can't catgorize transfers, or treat them as income when
they go from a tax fee account to a taxable account.

I searched the newgroup and saw some discussion and cumbersome workarounds
discussed back in March 2003.

Is there a solution (perhaps in 2005) or does anyone have any better
workarounds.

Thanks
TM
 

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