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Old 08-12-2003, 01:29 AM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: deposits before bills

I'm thinking it's pretty strange that I can't create this case, too. I did
just try a case more or less like yours. Enter the paycheck from the
schedule, then manually enter the transfer. They stay in this order. If I
enter the transfer manually, then the paycheck from the schedule, they stay
in that order.

You are on M03/4?

"Regina A. Pelkman" <pelkman[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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> No, it's not a critical issue; I get around it simply. I was responding
to
> this thread since I happened upon it. My deposit is a schduled

transaction.
> Subsequent to entry of the transaction in the register, if I then manually
> perform the transfer on the same date (I sort by date), then the transfer
> enters itself in prior to the deposit. My "fix", is to simply put a date

of
> the following day. But, I DO wonder why you don't reproduce this in your
> test - kind of strange, huh?



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Old 08-12-2003, 12:42 AM
Regina A. Pelkman
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Default Re: deposits before bills

No, it's not a critical issue; I get around it simply. I was responding to
this thread since I happened upon it. My deposit is a schduled transaction.
Subsequent to entry of the transaction in the register, if I then manually
perform the transfer on the same date (I sort by date), then the transfer
enters itself in prior to the deposit. My "fix", is to simply put a date of
the following day. But, I DO wonder why you don't reproduce this in your
test - kind of strange, huh?

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Were these **scheduled** in transfer then paycheck deposit order? Was one
a
> scheduled item and the other not?
> I just tried a simplified test case: enter a deposit then a transfer on

the
> 11th and a transfer then a deposit on the 12th. These also retain their
> entry order no matter what I do (besides sort by number, if numbered,

payee,
> if different payees, and sort by amount).
> I thought (before take the time to try and prove it) that "entry order"

for
> two items entered from scheduled transactions might inherit the creation
> order of the scheduled items. I got different results however. They still
> respect entry order from the schedule to the registers. I also tried a
> scheduled paycheck/scheduled transfer case. Ditto. Entry order into the
> register seems to control how transactions on a given date will be sorted.
> At any rate and based on the test cases I've tried here on M04, I still
> think your case is driven by something else going on--we haven't figured

out
> what, yet--and the general case is that entry order within date is the

sort
> order for register transactions in Money and cannot be changed. I welcome

a
> re-creation scenario--tell me what to do in what order in a new file with
> appropriate accounts already created--to demonstrate otherwise.
> Besides all of the above, does it really matter? The balance at the end of
> the day is what matters and what matters to your bank. Whether you get

there
> high then low or low then high, 1-2+3 == 1+3-2. It's a cosmetic issue in

the
> user's head, not a real accounting problem.
> "Regina A. Pelkman" <pelkman[at]cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kRVZa.20088$Qe.17766[at]fed1read04...
> > In my particular case, every paycheck, I first enter in the deposit

(made
> > directly into my checking account), then I follow this with a transfer

to
> my
> > savings. Each time, I have to "tell" Money that the transfer is on the
> > following day or I have a negative balance in the checking account

because
> > the transfer shows up in the register prior to the deposit.



  #6  
Old 08-12-2003, 12:22 AM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: deposits before bills

Were these **scheduled** in transfer then paycheck deposit order? Was one a
scheduled item and the other not?

I just tried a simplified test case: enter a deposit then a transfer on the
11th and a transfer then a deposit on the 12th. These also retain their
entry order no matter what I do (besides sort by number, if numbered, payee,
if different payees, and sort by amount).

I thought (before take the time to try and prove it) that "entry order" for
two items entered from scheduled transactions might inherit the creation
order of the scheduled items. I got different results however. They still
respect entry order from the schedule to the registers. I also tried a
scheduled paycheck/scheduled transfer case. Ditto. Entry order into the
register seems to control how transactions on a given date will be sorted.

At any rate and based on the test cases I've tried here on M04, I still
think your case is driven by something else going on--we haven't figured out
what, yet--and the general case is that entry order within date is the sort
order for register transactions in Money and cannot be changed. I welcome a
re-creation scenario--tell me what to do in what order in a new file with
appropriate accounts already created--to demonstrate otherwise.

Besides all of the above, does it really matter? The balance at the end of
the day is what matters and what matters to your bank. Whether you get there
high then low or low then high, 1-2+3 == 1+3-2. It's a cosmetic issue in the
user's head, not a real accounting problem.

"Regina A. Pelkman" <pelkman[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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> In my particular case, every paycheck, I first enter in the deposit (made
> directly into my checking account), then I follow this with a transfer to

my
> savings. Each time, I have to "tell" Money that the transfer is on the
> following day or I have a negative balance in the checking account because
> the transfer shows up in the register prior to the deposit.



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Old 08-11-2003, 11:41 PM
Regina A. Pelkman
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Default Re: deposits before bills

In my particular case, every paycheck, I first enter in the deposit (made
directly into my checking account), then I follow this with a transfer to my
savings. Each time, I have to "tell" Money that the transfer is on the
following day or I have a negative balance in the checking account because
the transfer shows up in the register prior to the deposit.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmm. Perhaps I read this as register, not "cash flow report."
> What I stated is correct for register view, and I just tried a test to
> confirm. I entered a deposit then a payment for today and a payment then a
> deposit for tomorrow. They stayed this way in the register view, for a

given
> day, no matter what I did.
> What report are you or Rickie referring to? (There is no "cash flow

report"
> in the gallery--if you save the cash flow widget to favorites, all it has

is
> a set of numbers. Kinda interesting that it creates a type of report for
> which no prototype exists in the gallery.)
> I also just tested this (with my previously entered test case numbers)

using
> the Account Transactions report, and had the same results. Sorted by date,
> the payment/deposit show in entry order within date. Payment entered first
> displays first. Deposit entered first displays first.
> Could you cite a re-creation scenario and version?
> "Regina A. Pelkman" <pelkman[at]cox.net> wrote in message
> news:7yWYa.4419$Qe.3859[at]fed1read04...
> > Dick,
> > > This is not true if you use the sort by date. Bills come before

deposits
> > unless you use the sort by entry order option.
> > > "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message

> > news:%230L0DbaXDHA.1384[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Yes. For the same day it comes down to entry order. There is no way

> around
> > > this. Enter them in order of deposits then bills or live with it.
> > > > > "Rickie McQueen" <total_kos[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:063d01c35d5f$e620ee60$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > > I'm meaning for the same day. If deposits and bills
> > > > happen on the same day, I want deposits to happen first
> > > > before bills so I don't get a negative balance
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
> > > > > deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
> > > > > negative amount?
> > > > > much thanks.
> > > > > rickie



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Old 08-09-2003, 01:52 AM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: deposits before bills

Hmmm. Perhaps I read this as register, not "cash flow report."

What I stated is correct for register view, and I just tried a test to
confirm. I entered a deposit then a payment for today and a payment then a
deposit for tomorrow. They stayed this way in the register view, for a given
day, no matter what I did.

What report are you or Rickie referring to? (There is no "cash flow report"
in the gallery--if you save the cash flow widget to favorites, all it has is
a set of numbers. Kinda interesting that it creates a type of report for
which no prototype exists in the gallery.)

I also just tested this (with my previously entered test case numbers) using
the Account Transactions report, and had the same results. Sorted by date,
the payment/deposit show in entry order within date. Payment entered first
displays first. Deposit entered first displays first.

Could you cite a re-creation scenario and version?

"Regina A. Pelkman" <pelkman[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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> Dick,
> This is not true if you use the sort by date. Bills come before deposits
> unless you use the sort by entry order option.
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%230L0DbaXDHA.1384[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Yes. For the same day it comes down to entry order. There is no way
around
> > this. Enter them in order of deposits then bills or live with it.
> > > "Rickie McQueen" <total_kos[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:063d01c35d5f$e620ee60$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > I'm meaning for the same day. If deposits and bills
> > > happen on the same day, I want deposits to happen first
> > > before bills so I don't get a negative balance
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
> > > > deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
> > > > negative amount?
> > > > much thanks.
> > > > rickie


  #3  
Old 08-09-2003, 01:52 AM
Tagman
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Default Re: deposits before bills

I use the date feature - and they are listed in order entry sequence...


"Regina A. Pelkman" <pelkman[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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> Dick,
> This is not true if you use the sort by date. Bills come before deposits
> unless you use the sort by entry order option.
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%230L0DbaXDHA.1384[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Yes. For the same day it comes down to entry order. There is no way
around
> > this. Enter them in order of deposits then bills or live with it.
> > > "Rickie McQueen" <total_kos[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:063d01c35d5f$e620ee60$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > I'm meaning for the same day. If deposits and bills
> > > happen on the same day, I want deposits to happen first
> > > before bills so I don't get a negative balance
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
> > > > deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
> > > > negative amount?
> > > > much thanks.
> > > > rickie
> > > > .
> > > >
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Old 08-08-2003, 11:40 PM
Regina A. Pelkman
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Default Re: deposits before bills

Dick,

This is not true if you use the sort by date. Bills come before deposits
unless you use the sort by entry order option.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Yes. For the same day it comes down to entry order. There is no way around
> this. Enter them in order of deposits then bills or live with it.
> "Rickie McQueen" <total_kos[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:063d01c35d5f$e620ee60$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > I'm meaning for the same day. If deposits and bills
> > happen on the same day, I want deposits to happen first
> > before bills so I don't get a negative balance
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
> > > deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
> > > negative amount?
> > > much thanks.
> > > rickie
> > > .
>
  #1  
Old 08-08-2003, 03:48 AM
Rickie McQueen
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Default deposits before bills

I'm meaning for the same day. If deposits and bills
happen on the same day, I want deposits to happen first
before bills so I don't get a negative balance
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> -----Original Message-----
> How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
> deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
> negative amount?
> much thanks.
> rickie
> .
 
Old 08-07-2003, 12:42 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: deposits before bills

Enter them in that order. There is no other way. Once all other sorts listed
in the view option are performed, entry order takes over.

"Rickie" <total_kos[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
> deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
> negative amount?
> much thanks.
> rickie


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Old 08-07-2003, 05:48 AM
Rickie
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Default deposits before bills

How do I get my cash flow report to first show the
deposit before it shows the bills so that I don't get a
negative amount?
much thanks.
rickie
 

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