backup to floppy weirdness

#20 10-30-2004, 03:40 AM

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:50:38 -0700, "dordale"
<dordale8no[at]spamyahoo.com> wrote:

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> I did have a USB flash drive fail on me...Lost a fairly large amount of work
> (my fault entirely for not making sure I had a copy of my document stored on
> the computer--kind of a reverse back up I guess :-) )

That is why when I back up to USB I back up to three of them.

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#19 10-30-2004, 03:37 AM

On 26 Oct 2004 00:28:07 GMT, sjcohen730[at]aol.com (SJCOHEN730) wrote:

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> Well, I went to Costco today and bought a 256k USB flash drive. It shows up on
> my Money 2005 as drive "F" when I backup to a removable media. This weekly
> chore will be much faster in the future. Thanks Cal for the suggestion. When I
> bought my new computer last December I had a floppy drive added so I could
> backup Money data. Guess I didn't really need it. I've discovered the new
> technology of a USB flash drive to replace the floppies. Technology marches on
> and thanks to Cal and to Money 2005, I've graduated away from floppy disks
> after using them with Money for 9 years. WOW! Steve
9 years.....I think that was the last time I had a file small enough

to fit on a floppy.

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#18 10-29-2004, 09:50 PM

I did have a USB flash drive fail on me...Lost a fairly large amount of work
(my fault entirely for not making sure I had a copy of my document stored on
the computer--kind of a reverse back up I guess :-) )

I'd only had my flash drive for a few months--and I'd been told that these
things were very reliable, but...there's always the chance of
mis-manufacture, etc. My failed severely...it was working fine and suddenly
I couldn't read any files on it. Now when I plug it in, Windows either
gives me a message that I "need to insert a disk in Drive E:" or "Drive E is
not formatted--format now? Y/N" If I choose to format, it tells me the disk
can not be formatted. I've been very careful to always "safely remove
hardware" before unplugging this device, but still it failed. It's under
warranty, so I'll be able to get a replacement, and I've learned my lesson
regarding trusting these little things with my only copy of a file.

I still think that these USB drives are great and are extremely more
reliable than floppies.

dordale :-)

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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> In microsoft.public.money, SJCOHEN730 wrote:
> > > Bob, when you say that the USB flash drives can fail, what % of the time
> > does
> > this happen? Is it less than 1% or is it 5% or more? The reason I ask is
> > that
> > I'm sure floppies fail also but I'm using the removeable backup as a
> > backup to
> > the hard drive backup that also has the data. If my computer goes down, I
> > am
> > assuming that if the last backup to the USB flash drive works OK, it
> > SHOULD
> > restore OK on my new or fixed computer. Correct? I'm not looking to triple
> > backup for ANY possibility. The world won't end if I can't, although it
> > would
> > be devistating. Your input is appreciated. Steve
> I had one fail in that I then had to re-format it. I suspect that it
> was my bad behavior of just unplugging the device without clicking
> the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the system tray. Shutting down
> the computer with the device in place should be OK.
> I got along with my bad procedure perhaps 100 or more times before
> a problem appeared. I am still not sure that that particular device
> is not suspect in that another device I had that I similarly
> mis-used never had such a failure.

#17 10-28-2004, 03:25 PM

In microsoft.public.money, SJCOHEN730 wrote:

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> Bob, when you say that the USB flash drives can fail, what % of the time does
> this happen? Is it less than 1% or is it 5% or more? The reason I ask is that
> I'm sure floppies fail also but I'm using the removeable backup as a backup to
> the hard drive backup that also has the data. If my computer goes down, I am
> assuming that if the last backup to the USB flash drive works OK, it SHOULD
> restore OK on my new or fixed computer. Correct? I'm not looking to triple
> backup for ANY possibility. The world won't end if I can't, although it would
> be devistating. Your input is appreciated. Steve

I had one fail in that I then had to re-format it. I suspect that it
was my bad behavior of just unplugging the device without clicking
the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the system tray. Shutting down
the computer with the device in place should be OK.

I got along with my bad procedure perhaps 100 or more times before
a problem appeared. I am still not sure that that particular device
is not suspect in that another device I had that I similarly
mis-used never had such a failure.

#16 10-28-2004, 02:57 PM

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> Subject: Re: backup to floppy weirdness
> From: "Bob Peel, MVP" Bob_Peel[at]NO_SPAMkiandra.freeserve.co.uk
> Date: 10/26/2004 2:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: <#6P2uhyuEHA.1984[at]TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl> Steve, don't forget that USB flash drives can also fail, so please don't
> rely on just one. If you can afford say two more then you can at least cycle
> them.
> --
> Regards
> Bob Peel,
> Microsoft MVP - Money
Bob, when you say that the USB flash drives can fail, what % of the time does

this happen? Is it less than 1% or is it 5% or more? The reason I ask is that
I'm sure floppies fail also but I'm using the removeable backup as a backup to
the hard drive backup that also has the data. If my computer goes down, I am
assuming that if the last backup to the USB flash drive works OK, it SHOULD
restore OK on my new or fixed computer. Correct? I'm not looking to triple
backup for ANY possibility. The world won't end if I can't, although it would
be devistating. Your input is appreciated. Steve

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> For UK tips & fixes see
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.
> For wishes or suggestions see
> http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
> or for UK wishes http://www.microsoft.com/uk/support/money/feedback
> I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.
> "SJCOHEN730" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041025202807.06405.00001531[at]mb-m19.aol.com...
> > Well, I went to Costco today and bought a 256k USB flash drive. It shows
> > up on
> > my Money 2005 as drive "F" when I backup to a removable media. This weekly
> > chore will be much faster in the future. Thanks Cal for the suggestion.
> > When I
> > bought my new computer last December I had a floppy drive added so I could
> > backup Money data. Guess I didn't really need it. I've discovered the new
> > technology of a USB flash drive to replace the floppies. Technology
> > marches on
> > and thanks to Cal and to Money 2005, I've graduated away from floppy disks
> > after using them with Money for 9 years. WOW! Steve

#15 10-26-2004, 06:52 AM

Steve, don't forget that USB flash drives can also fail, so please don't
rely on just one. If you can afford say two more then you can at least cycle
them.

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.
For wishes or suggestions see
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
or for UK wishes http://www.microsoft.com/uk/support/money/feedback

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"SJCOHEN730" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> Well, I went to Costco today and bought a 256k USB flash drive. It shows
> up on
> my Money 2005 as drive "F" when I backup to a removable media. This weekly
> chore will be much faster in the future. Thanks Cal for the suggestion.
> When I
> bought my new computer last December I had a floppy drive added so I could
> backup Money data. Guess I didn't really need it. I've discovered the new
> technology of a USB flash drive to replace the floppies. Technology
> marches on
> and thanks to Cal and to Money 2005, I've graduated away from floppy disks
> after using them with Money for 9 years. WOW! Steve

#14 10-26-2004, 12:28 AM

Well, I went to Costco today and bought a 256k USB flash drive. It shows up on
my Money 2005 as drive "F" when I backup to a removable media. This weekly
chore will be much faster in the future. Thanks Cal for the suggestion. When I
bought my new computer last December I had a floppy drive added so I could
backup Money data. Guess I didn't really need it. I've discovered the new
technology of a USB flash drive to replace the floppies. Technology marches on
and thanks to Cal and to Money 2005, I've graduated away from floppy disks
after using them with Money for 9 years. WOW! Steve

#13 10-23-2004, 11:30 PM

I back up to CD-ROM monthly by copying my latest Money backup file. I've
had occasion to use it and it worked perfectly.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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> My My Documents won't begin to fit on my 512MB key.
> I still do the backup to floppy every week because I'm a believer in media
> diversity on backup.
> "Amy Gray" <JudgeAmyGrayNOSPAM[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0q1ln0947i80f1qts3nh24kcsmteuv7nl1[at]4ax.com...
> > Just do what I do. When I back up to USB or I have the money file in
> > My Documents, I just delete My documents on the USB and copy the new
> > My Documents to the USB. I just do it outside of Money.

#12 10-23-2004, 07:57 PM

My My Documents won't begin to fit on my 512MB key.

I still do the backup to floppy every week because I'm a believer in media
diversity on backup.

"Amy Gray" <JudgeAmyGrayNOSPAM[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just do what I do. When I back up to USB or I have the money file in
> My Documents, I just delete My documents on the USB and copy the new
> My Documents to the USB. I just do it outside of Money.

#11 10-23-2004, 06:43 PM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:53:17 GMT, via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx(Cal
Learner-- MVP) wrote:

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> I just realized that you are copying the whole "My Documents"
> folder, thereby backing up much more than just Money files. That has
> some nice advantages.
I have other reasons for copying the whole My Documents folder to the

USB drives. 35+ spreadsheets, lots of documents, e-faxes, etc.

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#10 10-23-2004, 04:53 PM

In microsoft.public.money, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

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> In microsoft.public.money, Amy Gray wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:29:10 -0600, "Dick Watson"
> > <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
> > > > This is REALLY BRILLIANT. I'd bet they think they are "saving users" from
> > > overwriting their own backups inadvertently. Surely this is true. But what
> > > is also true is that making every floppy backup a process that requires the
> > > user to go into File Explorer first to delete the old backup on every floppy
> > > just assures that fewer users will backup less frequently since Money has
> > > made it such a pain in the ass. BRILLIANT. REALLY BRILLIANT. THANKS, MONEY
> > > TEAM!
> > Just do what I do. When I back up to USB or I have the money file in
> > My Documents, I just delete My documents on the USB and copy the new
> > My Documents to the USB. I just do it outside of Money.
> > What folks here discovered is that if your USB flash drive has
> enough space to hold twice your backup file, Money will let you
> avoid the outside step. There is the quirk of leaving a zero-length
> rw*.tmp on the drive (where * is 1, 2, 3, ...) , but those do not
> appear to consume even a sector.

I just realized that you are copying the whole "My Documents"
folder, thereby backing up much more than just Money files. That has
some nice advantages.

Rotating between two USB drives would be even better. That closes a
window of time where you are vulnerable.

#9 10-23-2004, 04:43 PM

In microsoft.public.money, Amy Gray wrote:

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> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:29:10 -0600, "Dick Watson"
> <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
> > This is REALLY BRILLIANT. I'd bet they think they are "saving users" from
> > overwriting their own backups inadvertently. Surely this is true. But what
> > is also true is that making every floppy backup a process that requires the
> > user to go into File Explorer first to delete the old backup on every floppy
> > just assures that fewer users will backup less frequently since Money has
> > made it such a pain in the ass. BRILLIANT. REALLY BRILLIANT. THANKS, MONEY
> > TEAM!
> Just do what I do. When I back up to USB or I have the money file in
> My Documents, I just delete My documents on the USB and copy the new
> My Documents to the USB. I just do it outside of Money.

What folks here discovered is that if your USB flash drive has
enough space to hold twice your backup file, Money will let you
avoid the outside step. There is the quirk of leaving a zero-length
rw*.tmp on the drive (where * is 1, 2, 3, ...) , but those do not
appear to consume even a sector.

#8 10-23-2004, 04:32 PM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:29:10 -0600, "Dick Watson"
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

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> This is REALLY BRILLIANT. I'd bet they think they are "saving users" from
> overwriting their own backups inadvertently. Surely this is true. But what
> is also true is that making every floppy backup a process that requires the
> user to go into File Explorer first to delete the old backup on every floppy
> just assures that fewer users will backup less frequently since Money has
> made it such a pain in the ass. BRILLIANT. REALLY BRILLIANT. THANKS, MONEY
> TEAM!
Just do what I do. When I back up to USB or I have the money file in

My Documents, I just delete My documents on the USB and copy the new
My Documents to the USB. I just do it outside of Money.

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#7 10-23-2004, 04:26 PM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:16:58 -0400, "kp" <campmhaha[at]go.com> wrote:

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> Sometimes when I tell the M05 trial version to backup to floppy, it says it
> will take more than 2 disks.
> Obviously, I can only put in one disk at a time. So I put in one disk,
> hoping it will just prompt for the second disk when it fills up the first.
> No. I tells me there is not enough room on the disk.
> AND...sometimes it doesn't say it will take more than one disk. Those times,
> I can just put in my disk and it backs up normally.
Do yourself a favor don't bother with floppies. Get a USB drive and

store on that. (You can get a 256 mb USB drive for like $30.00)

Or burn it onto a CD. Or store on a 750mb zip disk.

Floppies are next to useless.

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#6 10-23-2004, 02:57 PM

very excellent suggestion, Cal. I used my hubbies flash and it worked
brilliantly.

kp
"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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> In microsoft.public.money, kp wrote:
> > well, so far it's been right in the estimate. When it says it will take 2
> > floppies, it says the one I put in is too small.
> > I use 1.44 mb floppies. There seems to be no info about how to get it to
go
> > across 2 floppies, though.
> > So I end up just backing up to hard disk again.
> In addition to what Dick said, a USB flash drive is much better for
> removable backup storage than floppy. They are often on sale.

#5 10-23-2004, 02:53 PM

Well Dick, you were right. I went out and deleted the last backup from the
floppy and then it worked.

Interestingly, when the floppy had the last data on there, the software said
it would take about 2 disks. When I deleted the last backup, the software
said it would take about 1 disk.

So....it's a "feature".
kp
"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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> Try deleting the file that's on there. Apparently it doesn't know how to
> overwrite its own backups on floppy.
> This is REALLY BRILLIANT. I'd bet they think they are "saving users" from
> overwriting their own backups inadvertently. Surely this is true. But what
> is also true is that making every floppy backup a process that requires
the
> user to go into File Explorer first to delete the old backup on every
floppy
> just assures that fewer users will backup less frequently since Money has
> made it such a pain in the ass. BRILLIANT. REALLY BRILLIANT. THANKS, MONEY
> TEAM!
> I need to test that, maybe today. I'm not sure I read your post carefully
> enough the first time.
> "kp" <campmhaha[at]go.com> wrote in message
> news:e9usjdQuEHA.3392[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > well, so far it's been right in the estimate. When it says it will take
2
> > floppies, it says the one I put in is too small.
> > I use 1.44 mb floppies. There seems to be no info about how to get it to
> > go
> > across 2 floppies, though.
> > So I end up just backing up to hard disk again.

#4 10-23-2004, 02:52 PM

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> Subject: Re: backup to floppy weirdness
> From: "Dick Watson" littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com
> Date: 10/23/2004 10:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: <e04dmzQuEHA.2184[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl> Try deleting the file that's on there. Apparently it doesn't know how to
> overwrite its own backups on floppy.
> This is REALLY BRILLIANT. I'd bet they think they are "saving users" from
> overwriting their own backups inadvertently. Surely this is true. But what
> is also true is that making every floppy backup a process that requires the
> user to go into File Explorer first to delete the old backup on every floppy
> just assures that fewer users will backup less frequently since Money has
> made it such a pain in the ass. BRILLIANT. REALLY BRILLIANT. THANKS, MONEY
> TEAM!
> I need to test that, maybe today. I'm not sure I read your post carefully
> enough the first time.
> "kp" <campmhaha[at]go.com> wrote in message
> news:e9usjdQuEHA.3392[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > well, so far it's been right in the estimate. When it says it will take 2
> > floppies, it says the one I put in is too small.
> > I use 1.44 mb floppies. There seems to be no info about how to get it to
> > go
> > across 2 floppies, though.
> > So I end up just backing up to hard disk again.

When I tried my normal floppy backup one week after converting I thought the
problem was on my end. So far, this is the biggest negative to my upgrading.
Dick, I agree with your vent. Cal, I will see if I can get the USB backup you
mention. I can't believe the Money team would discourage the removeable backup
capability. Dick, you definately made the right move by NOT updating to Money
2005. Steve

#3 10-23-2004, 02:41 PM

In microsoft.public.money, kp wrote:

- quote -

> well, so far it's been right in the estimate. When it says it will take 2
> floppies, it says the one I put in is too small.
> I use 1.44 mb floppies. There seems to be no info about how to get it to go
> across 2 floppies, though.
> So I end up just backing up to hard disk again.

In addition to what Dick said, a USB flash drive is much better for
removable backup storage than floppy. They are often on sale.

#2 10-23-2004, 02:29 PM

Try deleting the file that's on there. Apparently it doesn't know how to
overwrite its own backups on floppy.

This is REALLY BRILLIANT. I'd bet they think they are "saving users" from
overwriting their own backups inadvertently. Surely this is true. But what
is also true is that making every floppy backup a process that requires the
user to go into File Explorer first to delete the old backup on every floppy
just assures that fewer users will backup less frequently since Money has
made it such a pain in the ass. BRILLIANT. REALLY BRILLIANT. THANKS, MONEY
TEAM!

I need to test that, maybe today. I'm not sure I read your post carefully
enough the first time.

"kp" <campmhaha[at]go.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> well, so far it's been right in the estimate. When it says it will take 2
> floppies, it says the one I put in is too small.
> I use 1.44 mb floppies. There seems to be no info about how to get it to
> go
> across 2 floppies, though.
> So I end up just backing up to hard disk again.

#1 10-23-2004, 01:51 PM

well, so far it's been right in the estimate. When it says it will take 2
floppies, it says the one I put in is too small.
I use 1.44 mb floppies. There seems to be no info about how to get it to go
across 2 floppies, though.
So I end up just backing up to hard disk again.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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- quote -

> It makes an estimate of how many floppies it will take based on some
> estimate of compressibility of the data. Sometimes its estimate is wrong.
> "kp" <campmhaha[at]go.com> wrote in message
> news:eqgowoPuEHA.3860[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Sometimes when I tell the M05 trial version to backup to floppy, it says
> > it
> > will take more than 2 disks.
> > > Obviously, I can only put in one disk at a time. So I put in one disk,
> > hoping it will just prompt for the second disk when it fills up the
first.
> > > No. I tells me there is not enough room on the disk.
> > > AND...sometimes it doesn't say it will take more than one disk. Those
> > times,
> > I can just put in my disk and it backs up normally.
> > > What's up with that?

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