And to be somewhat fair many of the brokerages don't provide the details in
their OFX implementations necessary to maintain better record keeping.

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----------- Joe Guidera
jguidera[at]msn.com.remove



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Doesn't surprise me at all. The programmers at Microsoft don't understand
simple accounting very well, either. I can keep more accurate 401(k)
records on a piece of paper than I can in Microsoft Money.

Apparently, it is designed to work like this. I enabled my passport and
then did a synchronization with MSN Money and I got the MSN Billpay
downloaded. Instead of using the right checking account to link with, it
created a duplicate account, of course. I could not get the two accounts to
merge, so I had to copy and paste each transaction one by one (because
Microsoft refuses to add the feature to copy and past multiple
transactions!). Then deleted the old account and renamed the account.

Works fine but still illogical to make one jump through such hoops. I am
going to try Quicken; next time I see a cheap price for it. I love
Microsoft, but really, this makes no sense anymore. All of this started
because I had attempted to add online downloading services with my bank,
Peoples Bank and Trust because it was listed as supported. It turned out to
be a different Peoples Bank and Trust (mine is in AL). Ok, no problem. But
I could not turn it off without disabling MSN Billpay first. Then trying to
re-enable wouldn't work unless I did the passport/synchronization thing.

Oh, FWIW, I called MS support and got someone in India whom I couldn't
understand too well. Worse it quickly became clear I knew more about Money
than she did. Not surprising, since I have used Money since version 1.0.
That was forgiveable, but she knew nothing about MSN Billpay. After she put
me on hold for the 3rd time, I bailed. By then, I had just decided to try
synchronizing. (Always put away a safe copy of your file before you do this
kind of stuff so you can go back to it as necessary).

MSN Billpay had already told me that this was a feature of Money05! Some
feature! I called Money Support in hopes they could tell me a workaround.
Anyhow, I de-synchronized my accounts and deleted them on the Web and then
got rid of the passport and MSN Billpay remains for now. I haven't tried
sending a payment yet though.

My checking account now says that MSN Billpay is my Bank! Huh? In 2004, it
had Peoples Bank as my bank and MSN Billpay was an add-on. Again, this is
illogical. What if my bank offers transactions download but not billpay.
Wouldn't I want to set up Online Services to download transactions and MSN
Billpay to upload payments? That was possible in M04 but not with M05. I
really hadn't swallowed that MS was dumping the standalone Money to move
people to MSN Web Services with Money. But it becomes clearer that that is
their intention.

I may yet go back to Money04.


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I called MSN Billpay Money Support and the person there indictated to me
that I would have to enable MSN synchronization in order to re-enable
billpay from within Money. I told her I didn't want that and she said that
this is the way that Money05 is supposed to work. I didn't have any
argument with that as we have already hashed out on this forum the way that
MS is leveraging Money to get everyone on MSN. I just reverted to a saved
file that had MSN Billpay still enabled. I lost the changes I had made and
still have one account tied to the wrong bank. It doesn't matter since the
correct bank doesn't have Online Services. But I cannot find anyway to
disable the incorrect Online Services without first setting up Online
Services with the wrong bank and to do that I have disable MSN billpay.
Madness!

Anyone know workarounds?
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I cannot re-enable MSN Billpay for my bank within MSMoney. When I click
ONline Services and MSN Billpay it takes me to the web site. There is a
link for setting up within MSMoney, but when it redirects me to Money, there
is no place for me to sign in -- it just takes me to the Bills Page. This
is Money 2005, of course. What a mess?