If this was a moderated group, Dick, your post should be modded to the top
of the list.

The fact is largely not that M05 doesn't work, it's that it works EXACTLY AS
DESIGNED. This is the problem. Short of a major rethink (hint, hint, lots
of people who use their own computer to track their own finances DON'T WANT
THEIR DATA TO BE REPLICATED ON OTHER BOXES just to pull data from Yodlee
enabled banks), this just isn't going to get any better in the long term.

One option, instead of MSN sync via Passport to pull Yodlee data would be to
allow them to use your EXISTING Yodlee account data. That, at least, only
leverages something I (at least) am already pretty comfortable with. Big
difference for me between a Yodlee aggregation account and replicating ALL
my data with MS servers. Absolute deal breaker. Money user, and annual
upgrade like clockwork, since 2000. Probably not going to happen this
year...

- John


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You very very rarely get anyone from MS posting here in any case.

Just us frustrated users! ;-)

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I don't recall any posts on this forum by anyone connected with the release
of Microsoft Money 2005. So I can safely assume that they are ALL
embarrassed at their "quality" of work. Shame on ALL of them!

What's wrong with M05 cannot be tested out. Dumb ideas can be implemented
flawlessly and still be dumb ideas.

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It just wasn't tested. However, it could also be some other third party.
I'm there are several companies involved. Server issues could be some
contract people or something.

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Short of quitting or getting fired, ethics rarely enters into the
equation for work you're paid to do (within reason, of course).

In Breeto's example however, the developer's did a great job of
implementing the XXXXX's. Too bad that was one of the very few things
they did well!

There's enough blame to go around though. Marketing drives the
product's direction. I suppose if the developers screw up good/bad
enough, it may impact marketing's progress.

Regards,
JB


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At what point do software developers have an ethical obligation to "Just Say
No"?

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OK. Whatever. I don't care who is to blame or from what group. The point
is this is sick and they know it.

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I've been reading a lot of posts where people slam the
developers of MSM05 and essentially blame them for the
fact the MSM05 is so crappy. I don't claim to know
exactly how the MSMoney team conducts its development
process but I do have experience in software development
so please allow me to educate you people a little...

The developers can certainly be blamed for some of the
defects in the application, but the majority of the design
decisions come from business analysts and marketing
types. For example, some dork in marketing decided one
day that "hey, my bank's web site only shows me the last
four characters of my account number and puts X's for the
rest. I think MS Money should work the same way!" So the
marketing dork declares that as some sort of requirement,
which then gets handed down to the development team, and
they implement it the way it was dictated to them. I
seriously doubt that the developers sit around and
collectively make decisions about things like, "hey, we
never used Money Express so I'm sure nobody else did,
let's just remove it from the application!"

So cut the developers a little slack and redirect some of
that anger towards the business folks!