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Old 08-28-2004, 03:40 PM
Michael Gordon, MVP
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

Doing the deletions in the qif file was a good idea.

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"Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> I did eventually get to succesfully purge the "hidden"
> transactions.
> I did not delete any transactions but I went through the
> exported .qif file looking for duplicate transactions
> starting from the end of the file. I deleted all
> transactions from that file leaving in only the duplicate
> transactions (both) and re-imported the resulting .QIF
> file using the "reconcile" bank account option. The
> hidden transactions then appeared in my log and all I did
> was delete them. It did the trick! (Note: It didn't work
> if I didn't leave both transactions in, the hidden and
> the non-hidden one. Not sure why, but I thought I'd
> mention it for others who might have the same problem as
> me)
> My approach was a bit more tedious (less automated) but
> it wasn't that hard either. It saved me from having to
> delete hundreds of transactions....although your advice
> to use MacroMaker is an excellent, if not better,
> alternative.
> Thanks for your help!!!
> Regis
> > -----Original Message-----
> > In microsoft.public.money, Regis wrote:
> > > > I may end up having to wait for the 2005 version.
> > > > > The second method you suggested doesn't seem to do the
> > > trick. I can't find duplicate transactions by searching
> > > for the bad transactions, even though I know exactly

> what
> > > to look for.
> > > > As for the first method, it seems way too daunting...
> > > unless you can tell me of a quick way to delete ALL the
> > > transactions. I happen to have many hundreds of
> > > transactions in that account. Is there an easy way?
> > > > If the balance at the bottom of your register does not

> give
> > different balance when the view is changed to show only

> unreconciled
> > transactions or in some other way, then I doubt that you

> have that
> > problem.
> > > To delete transactions in step 3, Clear the Tools-

> > Options-> Editing
> > Confirmation Options boxes. Sort the cash transactions

> register by
> > increasing date. Select the bottom transaction and

> click these
> > keys in rotation: Delete, Enter, <cursorUpArrow> .

> Listen for the
> > audible sound. If the audible sound changes, look at

> the screen.
> > You might have to deal with a customized allocation

> transaction.
> > Continue. I was able to do about 50 per minute, but I

> needed to
> > switch hands after a while.
> > > MacroMaker could be useful to save pressing the keys.

> > http://members.ij.net/anthonymathews/MacroMaker.htm
> > Not only could I program a single key to do the action,

> but I could
> > specify how many times it would repeat. So a single

> keystroke could
> > do 100 or 1000. Eventually it hits the top.
> > .

>


  #9  
Old 08-28-2004, 12:24 PM
Regis
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

I did eventually get to succesfully purge the "hidden"
transactions.

I did not delete any transactions but I went through the
exported .qif file looking for duplicate transactions
starting from the end of the file. I deleted all
transactions from that file leaving in only the duplicate
transactions (both) and re-imported the resulting .QIF
file using the "reconcile" bank account option. The
hidden transactions then appeared in my log and all I did
was delete them. It did the trick! (Note: It didn't work
if I didn't leave both transactions in, the hidden and
the non-hidden one. Not sure why, but I thought I'd
mention it for others who might have the same problem as
me)

My approach was a bit more tedious (less automated) but
it wasn't that hard either. It saved me from having to
delete hundreds of transactions....although your advice
to use MacroMaker is an excellent, if not better,
alternative.

Thanks for your help!!!

Regis


- quote -

> -----Original Message-----
> In microsoft.public.money, Regis wrote:
> > I may end up having to wait for the 2005 version.
> > > The second method you suggested doesn't seem to do the

> > trick. I can't find duplicate transactions by searching
> > for the bad transactions, even though I know exactly

what
> > to look for.
> > As for the first method, it seems way too daunting...
> > unless you can tell me of a quick way to delete ALL the
> > transactions. I happen to have many hundreds of
> > transactions in that account. Is there an easy way?

> If the balance at the bottom of your register does not

give
> different balance when the view is changed to show only

unreconciled
> transactions or in some other way, then I doubt that you

have that
> problem.
> To delete transactions in step 3, Clear the Tools-
> Options-> Editing
> Confirmation Options boxes. Sort the cash transactions

register by
> increasing date. Select the bottom transaction and

click these
> keys in rotation: Delete, Enter, <cursorUpArrow> .

Listen for the
> audible sound. If the audible sound changes, look at

the screen.
> You might have to deal with a customized allocation

transaction.
> Continue. I was able to do about 50 per minute, but I

needed to
> switch hands after a while.
> MacroMaker could be useful to save pressing the keys.
> http://members.ij.net/anthonymathews/MacroMaker.htm
> Not only could I program a single key to do the action,

but I could
> specify how many times it would repeat. So a single

keystroke could
> do 100 or 1000. Eventually it hits the top.
> .

  #8  
Old 08-27-2004, 02:40 PM
Michael Gordon, MVP
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

I've found the hidden transaction by doing a payee search; have you tried
that?

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Michael Gordon
MVP
"Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0e8701c48bb6$d636c980$a601280a[at]phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Great...
> I may end up having to wait for the 2005 version.
> The second method you suggested doesn't seem to do the
> trick. I can't find duplicate transactions by searching
> for the bad transactions, even though I know exactly what
> to look for.
> As for the first method, it seems way too daunting...
> unless you can tell me of a quick way to delete ALL the
> transactions. I happen to have many hundreds of
> transactions in that account. Is there an easy way?
> Thanks again for your help!
> Regis
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Bingo! You're the lucky recipient of the 'hidden

> transaction" problem. There
> > are a couple of ways of dealing with it:
> > Here's the first way:
> > .. > '1. Make a copy of your Money data file.
> > > 2. Open that copy.
> > > 3. Delete ALL transactions in the problem account
> > > 4. Export that account as a QIF file
> > > 5. Examine the QIF file in Notepad.
> > > 6. If it is not empty and shows one or more

> transactions,
> > > then those are
> > > likely the culprits.
> > > 7. Note the details of those transactions
> > > 8. Open up your original file
> > > 9. Import the QIF file
> > > 10. This should reveal the hidden transactions. So you
> > > can now do with them
> > > as you wish (Delete, modify, etc).'
> > > A second way: see if you can view the hidden

> transaction, either for a
> > search via payee or amount. If you see two identical

> transactions, one will
> > be the hidden one. Find out which one is the culprit and

> designate it as
> > void.
> > > A third way: wait for Money 2005: conversion of your

> data to 05 will delete
> > the hidden transaction and prevent this from happening

> again.
> > > --

> > Michael Gordon
> > MVP
> > > "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message
> > news:0faf01c48b4f$f4ee1f20$3a01280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > Michael, I need to amend my last reply.
> > > > > I DID find the match. It took 2 transactions to get it.
> > > One of the two is a transaction entered only in the

> cash
> > > account, and the other is an investment transaction
> > > (stock sell).
> > > > > I tried deleting and reentering both transactions, but

> it
> > > had no effect on the discrepancy.
> > > > > This seems to imply the existence of some hidden record
> > > somewhere. What can I do to resolve this problem,
> > > especially now that I have isolated the "guilty

> parties".
> > > > > For what it's worth, I tried "repairing" my file
> > > (standard). No effect...
> > > > > Thanks again in advance,
> > > Regis
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > What version of Money? Is the data downloaded? Does the
> > > amount of the
> > > > difference correspond to a transaction in the cash
> > > account?
> > > > > > > --
> > > > Michael Gordon
> > > > MVP
> > > > "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > news:5a7b01c48a80$c4d559e0$a301280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > > > I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> > > > > difference between the cash account cash balance and
> > > the
> > > > > ending cash balance in the associated investment
> > > account.
> > > > > > > > > I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my
> > > > > investment transactions look properly applied to the
> > > cash
> > > > > account.
> > > > > > > > > Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very
> > > > > annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a
> > > result.
> > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > Regis
> > > > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > .

>


  #7  
Old 08-26-2004, 10:18 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

In microsoft.public.money, Regis wrote:

- quote -

> I may end up having to wait for the 2005 version.
> The second method you suggested doesn't seem to do the
> trick. I can't find duplicate transactions by searching
> for the bad transactions, even though I know exactly what
> to look for.


> As for the first method, it seems way too daunting...
> unless you can tell me of a quick way to delete ALL the
> transactions. I happen to have many hundreds of
> transactions in that account. Is there an easy way?



If the balance at the bottom of your register does not give
different balance when the view is changed to show only unreconciled
transactions or in some other way, then I doubt that you have that
problem.

To delete transactions in step 3, Clear the Tools-> Options-> Editing
Confirmation Options boxes. Sort the cash transactions register by
increasing date. Select the bottom transaction and click these
keys in rotation: Delete, Enter, <cursorUpArrow> . Listen for the
audible sound. If the audible sound changes, look at the screen.
You might have to deal with a customized allocation transaction.
Continue. I was able to do about 50 per minute, but I needed to
switch hands after a while.

MacroMaker could be useful to save pressing the keys.
http://members.ij.net/anthonymathews/MacroMaker.htm
Not only could I program a single key to do the action, but I could
specify how many times it would repeat. So a single keystroke could
do 100 or 1000. Eventually it hits the top.
  #6  
Old 08-26-2004, 09:51 PM
Regis
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

Great...

I may end up having to wait for the 2005 version.

The second method you suggested doesn't seem to do the
trick. I can't find duplicate transactions by searching
for the bad transactions, even though I know exactly what
to look for.

As for the first method, it seems way too daunting...
unless you can tell me of a quick way to delete ALL the
transactions. I happen to have many hundreds of
transactions in that account. Is there an easy way?

Thanks again for your help!
Regis



- quote -

> -----Original Message-----
> Bingo! You're the lucky recipient of the 'hidden

transaction" problem. There
> are a couple of ways of dealing with it:
> Here's the first way:
> .. > '1. Make a copy of your Money data file.
> > 2. Open that copy.
> > 3. Delete ALL transactions in the problem account
> > 4. Export that account as a QIF file
> > 5. Examine the QIF file in Notepad.
> > 6. If it is not empty and shows one or more

transactions,
> > then those are
> > likely the culprits.
> > 7. Note the details of those transactions
> > 8. Open up your original file
> > 9. Import the QIF file
> > 10. This should reveal the hidden transactions. So you
> > can now do with them
> > as you wish (Delete, modify, etc).'

> A second way: see if you can view the hidden

transaction, either for a
> search via payee or amount. If you see two identical

transactions, one will
> be the hidden one. Find out which one is the culprit and

designate it as
> void.
> A third way: wait for Money 2005: conversion of your

data to 05 will delete
> the hidden transaction and prevent this from happening

again.
> --
> Michael Gordon
> MVP
> "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message
> news:0faf01c48b4f$f4ee1f20$3a01280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > Michael, I need to amend my last reply.
> > > I DID find the match. It took 2 transactions to get it.

> > One of the two is a transaction entered only in the

cash
> > account, and the other is an investment transaction
> > (stock sell).
> > > I tried deleting and reentering both transactions, but

it
> > had no effect on the discrepancy.
> > > This seems to imply the existence of some hidden record

> > somewhere. What can I do to resolve this problem,
> > especially now that I have isolated the "guilty

parties".
> > > For what it's worth, I tried "repairing" my file

> > (standard). No effect...
> > > Thanks again in advance,

> > Regis
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > What version of Money? Is the data downloaded? Does the

> > amount of the
> > > difference correspond to a transaction in the cash

> > account?
> > > > > --
> > > Michael Gordon
> > > MVP
> > > "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> > message
> > > news:5a7b01c48a80$c4d559e0$a301280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > > I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> > > > difference between the cash account cash balance and

> > the
> > > > ending cash balance in the associated investment

> > account.
> > > > > > > I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my
> > > > investment transactions look properly applied to the

> > cash
> > > > account.
> > > > > > > Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very
> > > > annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a

> > result.
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > Regis
> > > > > > > .
> > > .

  #5  
Old 08-26-2004, 06:35 PM
Michael Gordon, MVP
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

Bingo! You're the lucky recipient of the 'hidden transaction" problem. There
are a couple of ways of dealing with it:
Here's the first way:
.. > '1. Make a copy of your Money data file.
- quote -

> 2. Open that copy.
> 3. Delete ALL transactions in the problem account
> 4. Export that account as a QIF file
> 5. Examine the QIF file in Notepad.
> 6. If it is not empty and shows one or more transactions,
> then those are
> likely the culprits.
> 7. Note the details of those transactions
> 8. Open up your original file
> 9. Import the QIF file
> 10. This should reveal the hidden transactions. So you
> can now do with them
> as you wish (Delete, modify, etc).'


A second way: see if you can view the hidden transaction, either for a
search via payee or amount. If you see two identical transactions, one will
be the hidden one. Find out which one is the culprit and designate it as
void.

A third way: wait for Money 2005: conversion of your data to 05 will delete
the hidden transaction and prevent this from happening again.

--
Michael Gordon
MVP

"Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0faf01c48b4f$f4ee1f20$3a01280a[at]phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Michael, I need to amend my last reply.
> I DID find the match. It took 2 transactions to get it.
> One of the two is a transaction entered only in the cash
> account, and the other is an investment transaction
> (stock sell).
> I tried deleting and reentering both transactions, but it
> had no effect on the discrepancy.
> This seems to imply the existence of some hidden record
> somewhere. What can I do to resolve this problem,
> especially now that I have isolated the "guilty parties".
> For what it's worth, I tried "repairing" my file
> (standard). No effect...
> Thanks again in advance,
> Regis
> > -----Original Message-----
> > What version of Money? Is the data downloaded? Does the

> amount of the
> > difference correspond to a transaction in the cash

> account?
> > > --

> > Michael Gordon
> > MVP
> > "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message
> > news:5a7b01c48a80$c4d559e0$a301280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> > > difference between the cash account cash balance and

> the
> > > ending cash balance in the associated investment

> account.
> > > > > I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my
> > > investment transactions look properly applied to the

> cash
> > > account.
> > > > > Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very
> > > annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a

> result.
> > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > Regis
> > > > .

>


  #4  
Old 08-26-2004, 09:35 AM
Regis
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

Michael, I need to amend my last reply.

I DID find the match. It took 2 transactions to get it.
One of the two is a transaction entered only in the cash
account, and the other is an investment transaction
(stock sell).

I tried deleting and reentering both transactions, but it
had no effect on the discrepancy.

This seems to imply the existence of some hidden record
somewhere. What can I do to resolve this problem,
especially now that I have isolated the "guilty parties".

For what it's worth, I tried "repairing" my file
(standard). No effect...

Thanks again in advance,
Regis

- quote -

> -----Original Message-----
> What version of Money? Is the data downloaded? Does the

amount of the
> difference correspond to a transaction in the cash

account?
> --
> Michael Gordon
> MVP
> "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message
> news:5a7b01c48a80$c4d559e0$a301280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> > difference between the cash account cash balance and

the
> > ending cash balance in the associated investment

account.
> > > I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my

> > investment transactions look properly applied to the

cash
> > account.
> > > Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very

> > annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a

result.
> > > Thanks in advance

> > Regis

> .

  #3  
Old 08-26-2004, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

Good point, but then shouldn't I see that future-dated
transaction in the transaction log? None visible there.

Regis


- quote -

> -----Original Message-----
> In microsoft.public.money, Regis wrote:
> > I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> > difference between the cash account cash balance and

the
> > ending cash balance in the associated investment

account.
> If Today's balance differs from the Ending Balance,
> that should indicate a future-dated transaction.
> .

  #2  
Old 08-26-2004, 08:47 AM
Regis
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

Running Money 2004

The data is downloaded, yes. The amount does not appear
to correspond to a single transaction in the cash account
but there are many transactions in this account so I may
have missed it. I also used the account transactions
report to search for a match. None found that way either.

Regis

- quote -

> -----Original Message-----
> What version of Money? Is the data downloaded? Does the

amount of the
> difference correspond to a transaction in the cash

account?
> --
> Michael Gordon
> MVP
> "Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message
> news:5a7b01c48a80$c4d559e0$a301280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> > difference between the cash account cash balance and

the
> > ending cash balance in the associated investment

account.
> > > I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my

> > investment transactions look properly applied to the

cash
> > account.
> > > Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very

> > annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a

result.
> > > Thanks in advance

> > Regis

> .

  #1  
Old 08-25-2004, 04:33 PM
Michael Gordon, MVP
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

What version of Money? Is the data downloaded? Does the amount of the
difference correspond to a transaction in the cash account?

--
Michael Gordon
MVP
"Regis" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5a7b01c48a80$c4d559e0$a301280a[at]phx.gbl...
- quote -

> I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> difference between the cash account cash balance and the
> ending cash balance in the associated investment account.
> I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my
> investment transactions look properly applied to the cash
> account.
> Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very
> annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a result.
> Thanks in advance
> Regis



 
Old 08-25-2004, 12:29 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

In microsoft.public.money, Regis wrote:

- quote -

> I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
> difference between the cash account cash balance and the
> ending cash balance in the associated investment account.



If Today's balance differs from the Ending Balance,
that should indicate a future-dated transaction.


- quote -

> I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my
> investment transactions look properly applied to the cash
> account.
> Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very
> annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a result.


  #-1  
Old 08-25-2004, 08:51 AM
Regis
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Default Discrepancy between cash balances in investment accounts

I can't figure out how this happened but there is a
difference between the cash account cash balance and the
ending cash balance in the associated investment account.

I see no reason for the difference. Funds for all my
investment transactions look properly applied to the cash
account.

Any suggestion on fixing this problem? This is very
annoying as many reports are now inconsistent as a result.

Thanks in advance
Regis
 

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