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| OK, that's the way I have been doing it. (sell the money market to cash, then buy with cash) It's more tedious and I was wondering if by changing my setup, I could do it directly as I could with the old version of quicken (which didn't care if I went straight to/from one fund to the money market) thanks once again bobb "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:q8j8gv4jct18aljsl38sfvkqlbgfk175e5[at]4ax.com... - quote - > > ...In my Fidelity Brokerage account I have a few mutual > > funds as well as 3 "money market accounts". > > 1. a Select MM (the money on which I've paid 3% loads I keep here for > > tracking purposes) > > 2. a federal US govt MM (to keep the state of MASS 12% tax out of my wallet) > > and > > 3. a "default - Cash Reserves" MM (which is usually empty - I keep my cash > > in the others). > > > So that's how it looks in Money - a select, a us govt and the CASH account. > > Yesterday I sold my Low Priced Stock Fund and bought Select Medical (both > > have 3% loads so = no fee) > > And then I bought Select Health with money from my Select Money Market. > > (Again, both have 3% loads so = no fee). > > > But when I try to do those transactions in Money I can't. > > I enter BUY (or transfer in) Select Health, and Select Money Market is NOT > > an option in the 'transfer from'drop down': my only choices are CASH > > accounts or charge accounts (That's what I meant earlier by "I tried > > transfer - only to a cash account) > You have an associated cash account for Fidelity I assume. That will > normally contain $0. Sell Select letting the proceeds temporarily go > to the cash account. Buy the fund getting the money from the cash > account. The cash account is back to zero. > > > I think that Money THINKS it is just another mutual fund, and therefore not > > a source of funds - even though for 'category' it shows "money market". I > > would think that any money market SHOULD be listed, but it never was. Maybe > > I did the process wrong originally .... I used CASH from the account to BUY > > a money market fund. Seemed simple to me. Is there something special I need > > to do ? > > > And although on my statement and online it's done in one step, when I sell > > LP Stock, I can't DIRECTLY buy another fund in Money. (same reason - can't > > enter it) I need a temporary "holding tank" for the cash, so I figured, I'd > > deposit it to Sel MM, then a second later buy FROM Sel MM to Sel Medical. So > > I could just sell the LP Stock and select MM to cash but I'd like a trail of > > the 3% money. > Use the associated cash account rather than your Sel MM, and I > think things will work nicely. Just expect to keep the cash > transactions account at zero most of the time. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote: - quote - > Yeah, I thought it would be tough to follow.
You have an associated cash account for Fidelity I assume. That will> Thanks for your help Cal. > It'll be in Fidelity lingo, but if you want to follow, I'd love the help. > First of all, why do I care? ( you may skip to next paragraph if you don't > care why) > Some funds at Fidelity charged a 3% load. So if you had $15000 in your > account and bought $5,000 of a load fund, you'd pay a $150 fee on that cash > and ON THAT CASH only. So now in your account they would know that. If you > then sell that load fund and drop it all into your CASH account, YOU'D lose > track of what money has paid a load. Then when you buy something else - even > a noload fund, the FIRST money that they use is "loaded" money - they use > all the 3%, then all the 2%, etc until you've tied up all your "3% money on > perhaps noload funds. now you choose to buy the same load fund back - they > charge you the 3% again (since your other money has been used first).I put > that cash into my Select MM and I can track it and only use it when needed. > So, for that reason, in my Fidelity Brokerage account I have a few mutual > funds as well as 3 "money market accounts". > 1. a Select MM (the money on which I've paid 3% loads I keep here for > tracking purposes) > 2. a federal US govt MM (to keep the state of MASS 12% tax out of my wallet) > and > 3. a "default - Cash Reserves" MM (which is usually empty - I keep my cash > in the others). > So that's how it looks in Money - a select, a us govt and the CASH account. > Yesterday I sold my Low Priced Stock Fund and bought Select Medical (both > have 3% loads so = no fee) > And then I bought Select Health with money from my Select Money Market. > (Again, both have 3% loads so = no fee). > But when I try to do those transactions in Money I can't. > I enter BUY (or transfer in) Select Health, and Select Money Market is NOT > an option in the 'transfer from'drop down': my only choices are CASH > accounts or charge accounts (That's what I meant earlier by "I tried > transfer - only to a cash account) normally contain $0. Sell Select letting the proceeds temporarily go to the cash account. Buy the fund getting the money from the cash account. The cash account is back to zero. - quote - > I think that Money THINKS it is just another mutual fund, and therefore not
Use the associated cash account rather than your Sel MM, and I> a source of funds - even though for 'category' it shows "money market". I > would think that any money market SHOULD be listed, but it never was. Maybe > I did the process wrong originally .... I used CASH from the account to BUY > a money market fund. Seemed simple to me. Is there something special I need > to do ? > And although on my statement and online it's done in one step, when I sell > LP Stock, I can't DIRECTLY buy another fund in Money. (same reason - can't > enter it) I need a temporary "holding tank" for the cash, so I figured, I'd > deposit it to Sel MM, then a second later buy FROM Sel MM to Sel Medical. So > I could just sell the LP Stock and select MM to cash but I'd like a trail of > the 3% money. think things will work nicely. Just expect to keep the cash transactions account at zero most of the time. |
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| Yeah, I thought it would be tough to follow. Thanks for your help Cal. It'll be in Fidelity lingo, but if you want to follow, I'd love the help. First of all, why do I care? ( you may skip to next paragraph if you don't care why) Some funds at Fidelity charged a 3% load. So if you had $15000 in your account and bought $5,000 of a load fund, you'd pay a $150 fee on that cash and ON THAT CASH only. So now in your account they would know that. If you then sell that load fund and drop it all into your CASH account, YOU'D lose track of what money has paid a load. Then when you buy something else - even a noload fund, the FIRST money that they use is "loaded" money - they use all the 3%, then all the 2%, etc until you've tied up all your "3% money on perhaps noload funds. now you choose to buy the same load fund back - they charge you the 3% again (since your other money has been used first).I put that cash into my Select MM and I can track it and only use it when needed. So, for that reason, in my Fidelity Brokerage account I have a few mutual funds as well as 3 "money market accounts". 1. a Select MM (the money on which I've paid 3% loads I keep here for tracking purposes) 2. a federal US govt MM (to keep the state of MASS 12% tax out of my wallet) and 3. a "default - Cash Reserves" MM (which is usually empty - I keep my cash in the others). So that's how it looks in Money - a select, a us govt and the CASH account. Yesterday I sold my Low Priced Stock Fund and bought Select Medical (both have 3% loads so = no fee) And then I bought Select Health with money from my Select Money Market. (Again, both have 3% loads so = no fee). But when I try to do those transactions in Money I can't. I enter BUY (or transfer in) Select Health, and Select Money Market is NOT an option in the 'transfer from'drop down': my only choices are CASH accounts or charge accounts (That's what I meant earlier by "I tried transfer - only to a cash account) I think that Money THINKS it is just another mutual fund, and therefore not a source of funds - even though for 'category' it shows "money market". I would think that any money market SHOULD be listed, but it never was. Maybe I did the process wrong originally .... I used CASH from the account to BUY a money market fund. Seemed simple to me. Is there something special I need to do ? And although on my statement and online it's done in one step, when I sell LP Stock, I can't DIRECTLY buy another fund in Money. (same reason - can't enter it) I need a temporary "holding tank" for the cash, so I figured, I'd deposit it to Sel MM, then a second later buy FROM Sel MM to Sel Medical. So I could just sell the LP Stock and select MM to cash but I'd like a trail of the 3% money. thanks again - as always, bobb "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:5eb7gv8itmdf755f1v18jlqpsgh807p4nv[at]4ax.com... - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote: > > First off, with Fidelity there are load and noload funds. > > Whenever I buy/sell a 3% load fund, I use my Select money market as a > > holding place (to keep track of money that I've paid a load on). > > So, I have money in a 3% load money mkt and want to buy a 3% fund. > > I want the cash to come from the SELECT money Market - which shows in Money > > as a MONEY MARKET. > > > I'm using M2001 Deluxe and trying to do the following: > > Sell $x of Select money market to buy Select Health, and > > Sell $Y of Select money market to buy Select Medical. Easy to track - since > > it's all money that has a load paid already it'll go thru with no additional > > fee. I can't do it ! > > > Must I sell the Select money market cash (and "merge it with my noload > > cash")? > I suspect that in addition to two different MMs you have them in > different investment accounts. Is that the deal? In any case, you > can specify the cash account that is the source or destination of > the money by pressing Ctrl+T to make the Transfer to/from box > appear. > > The paperwork will show > > Sell Sel MMKT > > BUY Sel Medical > > > Sell Sel MMKT > > Buy Select Health > > They'll be no mention of my CASH RESERVES account. > "Cash reserves" is apparently your unloaded MM. So why is it even > involved here? If you are using the Select MM as the source of > funds, enter a $0 commission and if using the Reserves MM to buy > enter a non-zero commission. > > > But I can't do this with Money ? (M2001 - will newer versions allow it?) > > Why can't I sell a money market and buy a mutual fund with the proceeds ? > I see no reasons you cannot do this. Which part gives you a problem. > Selling the MM or buying the fund? If they are indeed entered into > two separate Money investment accounts, the transfer to/from on the > Buy or Sell for the money should let you accomplish this. > > Am I doing something wrong ? ( I tried transfer - only to a cash account, so > > not an option) > > I don't have a guess as to what that means. For the rest of it, I am > not sure if I understood or not. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote: - quote - > First off, with Fidelity there are load and noload funds.
I suspect that in addition to two different MMs you have them in> Whenever I buy/sell a 3% load fund, I use my Select money market as a > holding place (to keep track of money that I've paid a load on). > So, I have money in a 3% load money mkt and want to buy a 3% fund. > I want the cash to come from the SELECT money Market - which shows in Money > as a MONEY MARKET. > I'm using M2001 Deluxe and trying to do the following: > Sell $x of Select money market to buy Select Health, and > Sell $Y of Select money market to buy Select Medical. Easy to track - since > it's all money that has a load paid already it'll go thru with no additional > fee. I can't do it ! > Must I sell the Select money market cash (and "merge it with my noload > cash")? different investment accounts. Is that the deal? In any case, you can specify the cash account that is the source or destination of the money by pressing Ctrl+T to make the Transfer to/from box appear. - quote - > The paperwork will show
"Cash reserves" is apparently your unloaded MM. So why is it even> Sell Sel MMKT > BUY Sel Medical > Sell Sel MMKT > Buy Select Health > They'll be no mention of my CASH RESERVES account. involved here? If you are using the Select MM as the source of funds, enter a $0 commission and if using the Reserves MM to buy enter a non-zero commission. - quote - > But I can't do this with Money ? (M2001 - will newer versions allow it?)
I see no reasons you cannot do this. Which part gives you a problem.> Why can't I sell a money market and buy a mutual fund with the proceeds ? Selling the MM or buying the fund? If they are indeed entered into two separate Money investment accounts, the transfer to/from on the Buy or Sell for the money should let you accomplish this. - quote - > Am I doing something wrong ? ( I tried transfer - only to a cash account, so
I don't have a guess as to what that means. For the rest of it, I am> not an option) not sure if I understood or not. |