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Old 08-08-2004, 03:53 PM
Glyn Simpson, MVP
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

Do you really think 2005 will be bug free ??? I know i don't ;-)

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"Ion Control" <IonControl[at]echobase.rebelalliance.net> wrote in message
news:RerRc.919$TO6.151[at]newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
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> Gonna go out on a limb and say "Yes". I really liked the upgrade from '01
> to '02, and '03 had a few nice services added. I was not impressed by the
> '04 trial so I skipped that year. I understand that '05 is a major
> reworking (compared to '03 and '04) and will have some additions and
> enhancements (and a cleaner interface I think). Personally, as long as
> new bugs aren't introduced, I kind of feel that it's a good idea to
> upgrade to the latest version of just about anything, as long as you can
> get the software for less than $50
> "inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E76AC96D-2CB8-41A2-B6C8-4C93146280F4[at]microsoft.com...
> > I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary to
> > upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides the
> > fact
> > that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be working
> > fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned
> > that
> > 2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download
> > statements
> > after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to upgrade.
> > Is
> > that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005, and is
> > that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying to
> > find
> > information on this.
> > Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
> > inourmidst



  #7  
Old 08-08-2004, 03:01 PM
Ion Control
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

Gonna go out on a limb and say "Yes". I really liked the upgrade from '01
to '02, and '03 had a few nice services added. I was not impressed by the
'04 trial so I skipped that year. I understand that '05 is a major
reworking (compared to '03 and '04) and will have some additions and
enhancements (and a cleaner interface I think). Personally, as long as new
bugs aren't introduced, I kind of feel that it's a good idea to upgrade to
the latest version of just about anything, as long as you can get the
software for less than $50

"inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E76AC96D-2CB8-41A2-B6C8-4C93146280F4[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary to
> upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides the
> fact
> that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be working
> fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned that
> 2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download statements
> after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to upgrade.
> Is
> that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005, and is
> that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying to
> find
> information on this.
> Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
> inourmidst



  #6  
Old 08-08-2004, 02:57 PM
Ion Control
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

lol! Sept 2007! That's a good ways off (you can always format and
reinstall (which is a good idea regardless...) if you're set to expire
before that). Personally, I kind of like that. Nothing more annoying than
services that are "hamstrung" to maintain compatibility with outdated
software (I was so happy when Win XP basically abandoned DOS). My bank only
recently decided to drop Money '99 users in the downloads, resulting in MUCH
better downloads for me and Money '03. I'm still waiting for my wife's
credit Union to do that. Talk about a nightmare... :P


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:u6i7z0LfEHA.2560[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
- quote -

> IIRC, M03 Deluxe was three years. The corresponding limitation in the M04
> Deluxe EULA reads:
> "Expiration of Online Services. In accordance with the Microsoft Money
> 2004 Online Services Policy, you will not be able to use the Online
> Services
> of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (such as the ability to automatically and online:
> 1) track and update your accounts and investment values inside the
> SOFTWARE
> PRODUCT, 2) synchronize financial data with MSN® Money, 3) pay bills, and
> 4)
> communicate with your financial institutions) after expiration of the
> following time periods:
> " . Microsoft Money 2004 Deluxe/Microsoft Money 2004 Premium/Microsoft
> Money
> 2004 Small Business: The earlier of three (3) years after your activation
> of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or September 1, 2007."
> "Jody Miller" <jodyemberly[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:10hac8htabcb29[at]corp.supernews.com...
> > I was unaware that the online services expire with the newer versions.

> Can
> > this be confirmed? I am currently using 03 Deluxe, so my 2 years are due

> to
> > expire soon.



  #5  
Old 08-08-2004, 12:04 AM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

In microsoft.public.money, Jody Miller wrote:

- quote -

> I was unaware that the online services expire with the newer versions. Can
> this be confirmed? I am currently using 03 Deluxe, so my 2 years are due to
> expire soon.


3 years deluxe and premium.
1 year 2003 standard
2 years 2004 standard.


  #4  
Old 08-07-2004, 08:30 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

IIRC, M03 Deluxe was three years. The corresponding limitation in the M04
Deluxe EULA reads:

"Expiration of Online Services. In accordance with the Microsoft Money
2004 Online Services Policy, you will not be able to use the Online Services
of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (such as the ability to automatically and online:
1) track and update your accounts and investment values inside the SOFTWARE
PRODUCT, 2) synchronize financial data with MSN® Money, 3) pay bills, and 4)
communicate with your financial institutions) after expiration of the
following time periods:

" • Microsoft Money 2004 Deluxe/Microsoft Money 2004 Premium/Microsoft Money
2004 Small Business: The earlier of three (3) years after your activation
of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or September 1, 2007."


"Jody Miller" <jodyemberly[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10hac8htabcb29[at]corp.supernews.com...
- quote -

> I was unaware that the online services expire with the newer versions.
Can
> this be confirmed? I am currently using 03 Deluxe, so my 2 years are due

to
> expire soon.



  #3  
Old 08-07-2004, 07:53 PM
Bob Peel, MVP
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

Have a look at the EULA. Should say something like "two years after first
installation or dd/mm/yyy which ever comes first"

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Microsoft MVP - Money

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"Jody Miller" <jodyemberly[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10hac8htabcb29[at]corp.supernews.com...
- quote -

> I was unaware that the online services expire with the newer versions. Can
> this be confirmed? I am currently using 03 Deluxe, so my 2 years are due
> to
> expire soon.
> Thankz,
> Jody
> "inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C40F0FD0-B17C-4BAE-91B9-D3E43D40A93C[at]microsoft.com...
> > Thank you, Mr. Watson. This gives me some things to consider and think
> > about, and helps me to make a more informed decision. Your taking time
> > to
> > respond so thoroughly is appreciated.
> > inourmidst
> > > "Dick Watson" wrote:
> > > > The only reasons to want to upgrade are:
> > > > > a) new features (there are some since M01, but not all that many and

> some
> > > are only debatably improvements). It remains to be seen whether there

> are
> > > any worthwhile new features or fixed bugs in M05.
> > > b) expiration of support.
> > > c) expiration of online services (though I'm not sure if this applies
> > > to
> > > M01--it does to never version, I think starting with M03).
> > > d) increasing likelihood according to the age of the older version that
> > > Microsoft breaks some of the services interfaces and doesn't care. Just

> this
> > > year, they inadvertently broke quotes for M97 and previous and they

> didn't
> > > care to fix it.
> > > e) the older your version gets, it seems that you are more likely to
> > > experience problems upgrading (this is just speculative and still not a

> risk
> > > for most people).
> > > f) disappearance of patches and the like. If you need to reinstall your

> old
> > > version, you may find that updates previously downloaded through Money
> > > Updates (or, if you go back far enough, normal downloads) have been
> > > disappeared.
> > > > > If the past is any indication, it should be very simple for most users

> to
> > > upgrade to M05. You install Money. You start it or open your existing

> file.
> > > Money detects it needs to be upgraded. Money saves a backup copy. Money

> may
> > > ask a few questions (for profile information, say, that didn't exist in
> > > previous versions), and Money upgrades the file. Done. On some older
> > > hardware, this can take quite a long time with the hourglass up and

> Money
> > > not responding to Windows messages. But it still works out just fine.
> > > Starting with M03, a significant number of users have posted about

> having
> > > problems upgrading. These have usually been caused by pre-existing

> problems
> > > in their data files and been solvable. Certainly the ease of upgrade
> > > has

> not
> > > hindered people from upgrading, but the reasons above are likely why

> people
> > > do it.
> > > > > The best way to find out about an upgrade is to try the trial version
> > > available at http://www.microsoft.com/money. (There is one now for M04

> and
> > > there will likely be one for M05, if the past is any predictor.) Before

> you
> > > do this, be sure you have backups and be sure you have you old

> installation
> > > CD. You can install in a different folder and run in parallel if you
> > > are
> > > careful and crafty. Also read and heed the warnings about the
> > > non-revertability of the upgraded file and about how Money save a

> backup
> > > prior to performing the upgrade. Beware also that newer versions have

> ALWAYS
> > > made the same data file larger. This affects disk space and backup
> > > operations.
> > > > > "inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:E76AC96D-2CB8-41A2-B6C8-4C93146280F4[at]microsoft.com...
> > > > I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary

> to
> > > > upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides

> the
> > > fact
> > > > that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be

> working
> > > > fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned

> that
> > > > 2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download

> statements
> > > > after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to

> upgrade.
> > > Is
> > > > that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005,
> > > > and

> is
> > > > that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying

> to
> > > find
> > > > information on this.
> > > > Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
> > > > inourmidst
> > > > >

  #2  
Old 08-07-2004, 07:44 PM
Jody Miller
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

I was unaware that the online services expire with the newer versions. Can
this be confirmed? I am currently using 03 Deluxe, so my 2 years are due to
expire soon.

Thankz,
Jody


"inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C40F0FD0-B17C-4BAE-91B9-D3E43D40A93C[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> Thank you, Mr. Watson. This gives me some things to consider and think
> about, and helps me to make a more informed decision. Your taking time to
> respond so thoroughly is appreciated.
> inourmidst
> "Dick Watson" wrote:
> > The only reasons to want to upgrade are:
> > > a) new features (there are some since M01, but not all that many and

some
> > are only debatably improvements). It remains to be seen whether there

are
> > any worthwhile new features or fixed bugs in M05.
> > b) expiration of support.
> > c) expiration of online services (though I'm not sure if this applies to
> > M01--it does to never version, I think starting with M03).
> > d) increasing likelihood according to the age of the older version that
> > Microsoft breaks some of the services interfaces and doesn't care. Just

this
> > year, they inadvertently broke quotes for M97 and previous and they

didn't
> > care to fix it.
> > e) the older your version gets, it seems that you are more likely to
> > experience problems upgrading (this is just speculative and still not a

risk
> > for most people).
> > f) disappearance of patches and the like. If you need to reinstall your

old
> > version, you may find that updates previously downloaded through Money
> > Updates (or, if you go back far enough, normal downloads) have been
> > disappeared.
> > > If the past is any indication, it should be very simple for most users

to
> > upgrade to M05. You install Money. You start it or open your existing

file.
> > Money detects it needs to be upgraded. Money saves a backup copy. Money

may
> > ask a few questions (for profile information, say, that didn't exist in
> > previous versions), and Money upgrades the file. Done. On some older
> > hardware, this can take quite a long time with the hourglass up and

Money
> > not responding to Windows messages. But it still works out just fine.
> > Starting with M03, a significant number of users have posted about

having
> > problems upgrading. These have usually been caused by pre-existing

problems
> > in their data files and been solvable. Certainly the ease of upgrade has

not
> > hindered people from upgrading, but the reasons above are likely why

people
> > do it.
> > > The best way to find out about an upgrade is to try the trial version

> > available at http://www.microsoft.com/money. (There is one now for M04

and
> > there will likely be one for M05, if the past is any predictor.) Before

you
> > do this, be sure you have backups and be sure you have you old

installation
> > CD. You can install in a different folder and run in parallel if you are
> > careful and crafty. Also read and heed the warnings about the
> > non-revertability of the upgraded file and about how Money save a

backup
> > prior to performing the upgrade. Beware also that newer versions have

ALWAYS
> > made the same data file larger. This affects disk space and backup
> > operations.
> > > "inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:E76AC96D-2CB8-41A2-B6C8-4C93146280F4[at]microsoft.com...
> > > I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary

to
> > > upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides

the
> > fact
> > > that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be

working
> > > fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned

that
> > > 2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download

statements
> > > after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to

upgrade.
> > Is
> > > that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005, and

is
> > > that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying

to
> > find
> > > information on this.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
> > > inourmidst

> >

  #1  
Old 08-07-2004, 01:15 PM
inourmidst
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

Thank you, Mr. Watson. This gives me some things to consider and think
about, and helps me to make a more informed decision. Your taking time to
respond so thoroughly is appreciated.
inourmidst

"Dick Watson" wrote:

- quote -

> The only reasons to want to upgrade are:
> a) new features (there are some since M01, but not all that many and some
> are only debatably improvements). It remains to be seen whether there are
> any worthwhile new features or fixed bugs in M05.
> b) expiration of support.
> c) expiration of online services (though I'm not sure if this applies to
> M01--it does to never version, I think starting with M03).
> d) increasing likelihood according to the age of the older version that
> Microsoft breaks some of the services interfaces and doesn't care. Just this
> year, they inadvertently broke quotes for M97 and previous and they didn't
> care to fix it.
> e) the older your version gets, it seems that you are more likely to
> experience problems upgrading (this is just speculative and still not a risk
> for most people).
> f) disappearance of patches and the like. If you need to reinstall your old
> version, you may find that updates previously downloaded through Money
> Updates (or, if you go back far enough, normal downloads) have been
> disappeared.
> If the past is any indication, it should be very simple for most users to
> upgrade to M05. You install Money. You start it or open your existing file.
> Money detects it needs to be upgraded. Money saves a backup copy. Money may
> ask a few questions (for profile information, say, that didn't exist in
> previous versions), and Money upgrades the file. Done. On some older
> hardware, this can take quite a long time with the hourglass up and Money
> not responding to Windows messages. But it still works out just fine.
> Starting with M03, a significant number of users have posted about having
> problems upgrading. These have usually been caused by pre-existing problems
> in their data files and been solvable. Certainly the ease of upgrade has not
> hindered people from upgrading, but the reasons above are likely why people
> do it.
> The best way to find out about an upgrade is to try the trial version
> available at http://www.microsoft.com/money. (There is one now for M04 and
> there will likely be one for M05, if the past is any predictor.) Before you
> do this, be sure you have backups and be sure you have you old installation
> CD. You can install in a different folder and run in parallel if you are
> careful and crafty. Also read and heed the warnings about the
> non-revertability of the upgraded file and about how Money save a backup
> prior to performing the upgrade. Beware also that newer versions have ALWAYS
> made the same data file larger. This affects disk space and backup
> operations.
> "inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E76AC96D-2CB8-41A2-B6C8-4C93146280F4[at]microsoft.com...
> > I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary to
> > upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides the

> fact
> > that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be working
> > fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned that
> > 2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download statements
> > after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to upgrade.

> Is
> > that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005, and is
> > that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying to

> find
> > information on this.
> > Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
> > inourmidst

 
Old 08-07-2004, 12:40 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Should I upgrade?

The only reasons to want to upgrade are:

a) new features (there are some since M01, but not all that many and some
are only debatably improvements). It remains to be seen whether there are
any worthwhile new features or fixed bugs in M05.
b) expiration of support.
c) expiration of online services (though I'm not sure if this applies to
M01--it does to never version, I think starting with M03).
d) increasing likelihood according to the age of the older version that
Microsoft breaks some of the services interfaces and doesn't care. Just this
year, they inadvertently broke quotes for M97 and previous and they didn't
care to fix it.
e) the older your version gets, it seems that you are more likely to
experience problems upgrading (this is just speculative and still not a risk
for most people).
f) disappearance of patches and the like. If you need to reinstall your old
version, you may find that updates previously downloaded through Money
Updates (or, if you go back far enough, normal downloads) have been
disappeared.

If the past is any indication, it should be very simple for most users to
upgrade to M05. You install Money. You start it or open your existing file.
Money detects it needs to be upgraded. Money saves a backup copy. Money may
ask a few questions (for profile information, say, that didn't exist in
previous versions), and Money upgrades the file. Done. On some older
hardware, this can take quite a long time with the hourglass up and Money
not responding to Windows messages. But it still works out just fine.
Starting with M03, a significant number of users have posted about having
problems upgrading. These have usually been caused by pre-existing problems
in their data files and been solvable. Certainly the ease of upgrade has not
hindered people from upgrading, but the reasons above are likely why people
do it.

The best way to find out about an upgrade is to try the trial version
available at http://www.microsoft.com/money. (There is one now for M04 and
there will likely be one for M05, if the past is any predictor.) Before you
do this, be sure you have backups and be sure you have you old installation
CD. You can install in a different folder and run in parallel if you are
careful and crafty. Also read and heed the warnings about the
non-revertability of the upgraded file and about how Money save a backup
prior to performing the upgrade. Beware also that newer versions have ALWAYS
made the same data file larger. This affects disk space and backup
operations.

"inourmidst" <inourmidst[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E76AC96D-2CB8-41A2-B6C8-4C93146280F4[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary to
> upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides the

fact
> that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be working
> fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned that
> 2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download statements
> after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to upgrade.

Is
> that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005, and is
> that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying to

find
> information on this.
> Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
> inourmidst



  #-1  
Old 08-07-2004, 06:15 AM
inourmidst
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Default Should I upgrade?

I am using MS$ 2001. My boss told me to find out if it is necessary to
upgrade to a current version (I see 2005 will be out soon). Besides the fact
that MS doesn't support the older versions, and this seems to be working
fine, is there any reason I would want to upgrade? Someone mentioned that
2004 has a built in timer that disables the ability to download statements
after a period of two years. Sounds like that forces people to upgrade. Is
that correct? How simple will it be to upgrade from 2001 to 2005, and is
that one of the reasons to upgrade every so often? I've been trying to find
information on this.
Any input would be appreciated. Thank you.
inourmidst
 

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