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Old 02-28-2009, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: Bank run on Citibank?

On Feb 23, 6:11*pm, Igor Chudov <ichu...[at]algebra.com> wrote:
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> Presently, Citibank stock is trading at a level that implied an almost
> imminent bankruptcy. Most likely, on the basis of assets and
> liabilities, properly valued, it is insolvent.
> What also complicates matters is that it is a global institution with
> deposits in non-dollar currencies. That would complicate the task of
> making depositors whole in case of its collapse.
> What surprises me is that, as far as we know, it is not yet
> experiencing a bank run. If I was a client of Citibank, especially a
> foreign client but also a domestic, I would likely withdraw the money
> even if I was covered by FDIC guarantee, but certainly would do so if
> I was not covered.
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Citi made some of its money on risky business:

Citi Mortgage bought new home loan mortgages before the ink could dry
on the original mortgagers paperwork. Many of these loans turned out
to be bad business (as the current crisis suggests).

CitiFinancial makes high interest loans to risky clients with
questionable collateral and income (also proven to be a poor business
model).

Citi Cards would give cards to anyone provided they were above ground
which adds to the list of risky entities under the Citi umbrella.

Citi has been described as a black hole, courtesy of a lack of
transparency; we don’t know what all Citi is comprised of. The
speculation is that Citi will be broken up, the question is…is there a
viable business to be made out of what’s left, deposits, lending,
holdings…who knows!

As for a “run” on Citi, whether or not it is or is not insolvent in
its present form is not as important as whether it can continue to
raise capital and access government funds until it can be broken up
and revamped into a business with a promising business model capable
of surviving the economic times.

Happy investing!

 
Old 02-24-2009, 02:05 AM
John A. Weeks III
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Default Re: Bank run on Citibank?

In article <aoidnVwAsKyKkz7UnZ2dnUVZ_jSWnZ2d[at]giganews.com> ,
Igor Chudov <ichudov[at]algebra.com> wrote:

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> Presently, Citibank stock is trading at a level that implied an almost
> imminent bankruptcy. Most likely, on the basis of assets and
> liabilities, properly valued, it is insolvent.


> What surprises me is that, as far as we know, it is not yet
> experiencing a bank run.


That is because your assertion in the first paragraph is not
accurate, there for there is no bank run. Citibank is solid.
They have many, many divisions, and only a few divisions have
exposure to the flaky mortgages. If Wall Street thought that
Citibank was insolvent, its stock would be trading at 2 cents
a share, not $7 a share (based on CPRZ, the preferred stock,
which key company owners have, as opposed to common stock).

-john-

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Old 02-23-2009, 11:11 PM
Igor Chudov
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Default Bank run on Citibank?

Presently, Citibank stock is trading at a level that implied an almost
imminent bankruptcy. Most likely, on the basis of assets and
liabilities, properly valued, it is insolvent.

What also complicates matters is that it is a global institution with
deposits in non-dollar currencies. That would complicate the task of
making depositors whole in case of its collapse.

What surprises me is that, as far as we know, it is not yet
experiencing a bank run. If I was a client of Citibank, especially a
foreign client but also a domestic, I would likely withdraw the money
even if I was covered by FDIC guarantee, but certainly would do so if
I was not covered.

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