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Old 02-08-2009, 09:12 PM
honda.lioness@gmail.com
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Default Re: OAKEX or DLS?

On Feb 7, 4:54 pm, "Andrew Koenig" <a...[at]acm.org> wrote:
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> I ruled SCZ out because it's not a value fund, in addition to being 2/3
> medium-cap.


To show that the line between value and growth is a bit subjective:
SCZ came up when I screened for "foreign small/mid value" ETFs at
morninstar.com. I realize other sites call it blend etc.

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> Indeed -- I consider VISVX (or VBR, depending on whether you want an ETF) a
> no-brainer if you want domestic small-cap value.


VBR's expense ratio is lowest at around 0.12% but I found three other
domestic small cap values with ERs around 0.25%; leaning smaller
rather than mid compared to VBR; or with lower turnover. Not that this
is such an exact science to make splitting hairs worthwhile. I will
say I went with Vanguard because of its longer history in general.
(Its customer service still frequently annoys, though.)

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Old 02-07-2009, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: OAKEX or DLS?

<honda.lioness[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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> DLS, because of the much greater number of positions, much much lower
> turnover (knock on wood?) and much lower expense ratio.
> Morningstar.com turned up SCZ also, but I gather you ruled SCZ out
> because it leans a bit more mid-cap. I think I would try to find a
> five-year history or so of # of positions and turnover though, before
> making a final decision.


I ruled SCZ out because it's not a value fund, in addition to being 2/3
medium-cap.

DLS hasn't been around for five years, which is another minus. What I
really want is DISVX, but I don't want to pay a commission for the privilege
of owning it.

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> I did a DIY study of small cap values a year or so ago. Ended up going
> with Vanguard's. But you want international, and this I did not
> examine until now.


Indeed -- I consider VISVX (or VBR, depending on whether you want an ETF) a
no-brainer if you want domestic small-cap value.

 
Old 02-07-2009, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: OAKEX or DLS?

DLS, because of the much greater number of positions, much much lower
turnover (knock on wood?) and much lower expense ratio.
Morningstar.com turned up SCZ also, but I gather you ruled SCZ out
because it leans a bit more mid-cap. I think I would try to find a
five-year history or so of # of positions and turnover though, before
making a final decision.

I did a DIY study of small cap values a year or so ago. Ended up going
with Vanguard's. But you want international, and this I did not
examine until now.

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Old 02-06-2009, 01:50 AM
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Default OAKEX or DLS?

If you're looking for international small-cap value exposure, would you
prefer OAKEX or DLS (or something else)?

In favor of DLS:

Lower turnover
More diversification (both geographically and number of stocks)
Lower expense ratio
Lower P/B ratio

In favor of OAKEX:

More microcap, less midcap
Better-established company with much longer history
Less emphasis on dividends, which could be good if (i.e. when) special tax
treatment ends for dividends

References to relevant sources would be welcome.

 


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