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| Will Trice wrote: - quote - > honda.lion...[at]gmail.com wrote:
With the statement in the article that, "This is why we say stocks> > On Dec 29, 6:36 pm, anoop <ghanw...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 29, 1:58 pm, honda.lion...[at]gmail.com wrote: > > > The media is replete with articles that suggest > > > an investment horizon of 5 or more years calls > > > for investing in stocks...just google and you will > > > find plenty. Here are some...http://www.military.com/Finance/cont...144637,00.html > > The part of this web site that mentions five or more years does not > > read the way you claim. I am not going to bother checking the others > > when you are being this loose. > In general, I agree with your posts to this thread, Elle. However, the > first link seems relevant to Anoop's point when it says, > "If you are under the age of 50 and you don’t need to spend your money > for five years or more, stocks can be a very compelling place to invest > your hard-saved money. While there’s definitely no guarantee that > history will repeat itself, stocks have historically had the highest > investment return of all of these categories over the long-run." > This doesn't seem real loose. rock if you have at least five years on your side," I retract my contention that anoop was being loose with this article. I stand by my contention that he is being loose when he claims conventional wisdom has been "if you didn't need the money for 5 years, you should be invested in stocks." This is not conventional wisdom IMO. I continue to feel no reputable advisor or web site that advocated or advocates five years as the minimum time horizon a person needed prior to investing in stocks. I agree with you that 5 years may be too - quote - > short to call "long term", but I also agree with Anoop that the media
I do not have any objection to this re-writing of Anoop's earlier> often defines "long term" carelessly. statement. In particular, sites that have an interest in the public investing in stocks (or promoting frenzies so as to aattract more readers and so better advertising deals) will argue for getting into stocks. But these are not reputable sites in my view. I guess if one is a non-critical reader, they certainly may seem otherwise, though. Perhaps this exchange will promote more thoughtful reading. |
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| anoop wrote: - quote - > On Dec 29, 1:58 pm, honda.lion...[at]gmail.com wrote: > > I know of no reputable advisor or web site that advocated or advocates > > five years as the minimum time horizon a person needed prior to > > investing in stocks. "Long term" has always struck me as meaning 10 > > years or more in this context. > The media is replete with articles that suggest > an investment horizon of 5 or more years calls > for investing in stocks. If 5 years isn't enough to move your stock allocation north of 0%, would 10 years be enough either? The last Ibbotson data I have access to say that from 1926 through the end of 2007, US stocks (per the S&P 500) outperformed Treasury bills 77% of the time over a 5-year period. There were something over 900 rolling 5-year periods during those years, though they weren't independent periods. And that ignores complications like taxes and investment costs, this is just index data. Moving out to 10 years, by the same measure stocks have beaten T-bills 86% of the time. Sure, that's an improvement but is that really so much better that it makes 10 years a cut-off for going from 0% stocks to something higher? At what point did it happen...80%, 85%? Interestingly, there's been little difference between the rolling 3-year and rolling 5-year "win rate" for stocks. Most losses in the stock market have been relatively short-term...just a year or two in duration. Though of course there were some big losses that lasted much longer than that - and that's what the typical investor is concerned about. -Tad |
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| honda.lioness[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > On Dec 29, 6:36 pm, anoop <ghanw...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
In general, I agree with your posts to this thread, Elle. However, the> > On Dec 29, 1:58 pm, honda.lion...[at]gmail.com wrote: > > The media is replete with articles that suggest > > an investment horizon of 5 or more years calls > > for investing in stocks...just google and you will > > find plenty. Here are some...http://www.military.com/Finance/cont...144637,00.html > The part of this web site that mentions five or more years does not > read the way you claim. I am not going to bother checking the others > when you are being this loose. first link seems relevant to Anoop's point when it says, "If you are under the age of 50 and you don’t need to spend your money for five years or more, stocks can be a very compelling place to invest your hard-saved money. While there’s definitely no guarantee that history will repeat itself, stocks have historically had the highest investment return of all of these categories over the long-run." This doesn't seem real loose. I agree with you that 5 years may be too short to call "long term", but I also agree with Anoop that the media often defines "long term" carelessly. -Will william dot trice at ngc dot com |
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| On Dec 29, 6:36 pm, anoop <ghanw...[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On Dec 29, 1:58 pm, honda.lion...[at]gmail.com wrote:
The part of this web site that mentions five or more years does not> > On Dec 28, 8:40 am, anoop <ghanw...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > The problem here is the whole conventional wisdom "buy and > > > hold" mantra. If you didn't understand what to do and picked > > > up a random book on financial planning, you'd think the best > > > strategy was to buy and hold stocks forever (forever being > > > some large year). It used to be that if you didn't need the > > > money for 5 years, you should be invested in stocks. But > > > that has proven to be wrong this time. > > I know of no reputable advisor or web site that advocated or advocates > > five years as the minimum time horizon a person needed prior to > > investing in stocks. "Long term" has always struck me as meaning 10 > > years or more in this context. > The media is replete with articles that suggest > an investment horizon of 5 or more years calls > for investing in stocks...just google and you will > find plenty. Here are some...http://www.military.com/Finance/cont...144637,00.html read the way you claim. I am not going to bother checking the others when you are being this loose. - quote - > BTW, as I mentioned earlier, getting in exactly 10 years
Not sure if you took dividends into account. Either way, negative> ago one would have negative returns. returns over ten years have happened. So? |
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| On Dec 29, 1:58*pm, honda.lion...[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > On Dec 28, 8:40 am, anoop <ghanw...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
The media is replete with articles that suggest> > The problem here is the whole conventional wisdom "buy and > > hold" mantra. *If you didn't understand what to do and picked > > up a random book on financial planning, you'd think the best > > strategy was to buy and hold stocks forever (forever being > > some large year). *It used to be that if you didn't need the > > money for 5 years, you should be invested in stocks. *But > > that has proven to be wrong this time. > I know of no reputable advisor or web site that advocated or advocates > five years as the minimum time horizon a person needed prior to > investing in stocks. "Long term" has always struck me as meaning 10 > years or more in this context. an investment horizon of 5 or more years calls for investing in stocks...just google and you will find plenty. Here are some... http://www.military.com/Finance/cont...144637,00.html http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...23/ai_13220967 http://www.fool.com/teens/teens03.htm http://www.kiplinger.com/columns/val...004/va0217.htm BTW, as I mentioned earlier, getting in exactly 10 years ago one would have negative returns. Anoop |
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