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| dumbstruck wrote: - quote - > What types of etf's or mutual funds might have unexpected
ETNs, exchange-traded notes, are relying on a tax opinion that may not> complications in how they are taxed, besides the usual cap gain and > dividend distributions? hold water. Googling will turn up discussions of this. One concept you hit on is return of capital, where a fund distribution is regarded as not being from income, usually because of something like depreciation or depletion. ROC is not taxable and instead requires a basis adjustment (which is a pain in the neck, on a lot by lot basis). It can come up a bunch of different ways, some examples: * REITs/REIT funds - many REIT dividends are partially ROC * royalty trusts and master limited partnerships - and when you sell them it's ordinary income not LTCG, also there's the UBTI issue if you want to hold in an IRA * a mutual fund that messes up its accounting and post-12/31 realizes that distributions in the prior year were in excess of income earned, so it's return of capital. Unusual but it happens. Tax exempt bond funds that aren't single-state usually require manual adjustments on the state return, taxing the income earned from out of state bonds. Quite a few of the leveraged ETFs use derivatives that lead to messy tax accounting that I will not even speak the code section of. ETFs that have a lot of creation/redemption can fail to qualify for the "QDI" rate, which has holding period requirements (for the stock paying the dividend). IIRC the year this happened to some of the iShares it wasn't a problem with traditional index funds tied to the same indices. Add "accountant time" or "tax reading" to the cost of owning any of these. -Tad |
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| What types of etf's or mutual funds might have unexpected complications in how they are taxed, besides the usual cap gain and dividend distributions? My goal is to avoid things likely to need special handling or particularly late assessment or reassesment of taxable returns. I had to help a relative with consequences of a partnership, and the yearly process seemed worse than having my eyeballs slowly pulled out with corkscrews. One possible example is the bullion etf's. I hear GLD and maybe SLV should be treated under higher "collectables" tax rates rather than cap gain, but maybe not ticker CEF. Another is DBC which includes gold/oil commodity (futures?). An article warned this is treated funny in tax due to being structured like a partnership. Would DBA (agric.) be the same, or is it back to a bullion issue? What about closed end funds in general? At one point I heard they sometimes do that trick where some gains are considered return of original investment or some such thing that was excruciating to handle in partnership-land (usually released ridiculously close to tax deadline). Thank you for treating this in a preliminary, brainstorming way, and not wasting platitudes about consulting lawyers or prospectus. A 100% wrong answer is better than no answer because it may include clues to followup on. A 80% wrong guess would be wonderful with that juicy 20% to start building on. Prissy and defensive correctness has destroyed prospectus's, which used to be frank and specific but now are meaningless lists of open ended boilerplate caveats. Let's respect folks to properly manage epistemology - they know to what degree they know and what they don't know, regardless of whether good or bad advice is thrown at them. |
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