On Oct 30, 6:06 pm, joetaxpayer <joetaxpa...[at]nospam.com> wrote:

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Touche.

kastnna wrote:

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Well, it's splitting hairs, but since my S&P fund costs 5 basis points,
I don't care about the ticker. It wouldn't bring me any increase to my
happiness if it did, no difference to me, really. A ticker isn't worth
even an extra basis point.
JOE

jIM,

Its not uncommon (yet unfortunate) that 401k providers use
institutional funds that don't have ticker symbols. Many of these
funds may closely resemble a listed fund, but I can't say how closely
the relationship will be. The only consistent way to get info on these
funds is from the prospectus, fund provider, and/or perhaps the plan
advisor (if one even exists).

I don't recall EVER meeting someone that preferred the funds that
didn't have tickers.

I've seen generic asset funds in many 401K plans including
my own and the largest pne ion thcountry - the federal
employees Thrifty Saving Plan.

My company was bought out by Siemens earlier this year. For the first
time I can see the detailed info of funds in 401k. It's not managed
by a single company (like T Rowe Price or Vanguard), it appears each
asset class has multiple managers.

I have not seen funds like this before. No ticker symbols. We have a
single "domestic large cap fund", we have another "domestic small cap
fund", we have another "foreign large cap fund" and a "non us emerging
markets fund", among a few other choices.

In the prospectus for the domestic large cap, it suggests the fund is
managed by the following companies

State Street Global
Advisors.......................................... .....61%
Legg
Mason............................................. ...........................
17%
Capital Guardian.......................................... .................12%
Barclays Global Investors......................................... ....10%

Anyone know of information about which State street fund this might
be, or how I would figure this out? I am looking for a ticket symbol
which mimics that portion of fund performance.

non US developed markets fund is managed by
Grantham, Mayo, Van Otterloo.......................................... .
42%
Capital Guardian........ .................................................. .33%
Barclays Global Investors ............................................25%

small cap fund is managed by
AXA
Rosenberg......................................... .........................
28%
State Street Global
Advisors.......................................... .....25%
Wellington Management........................................ ........25%
Peregrine Capital Management......................................22 %

non us emerging markets fund is managed by
SSgA/Rexiter........................................... ......................47%
Capital International, Inc. ...... ......................................43%
Barclays Global Investors ............................................10%


3 of the 4 funds trail their indexes for short term by small
percentages, the fourth trails 5 year, but exceeds 3 month and 1 year
benchmarks.

I am choosing between these 4 funds and a self directed brokerage
option. If anyone has seen plans like this before, please chime in.

Thank You.