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| cporro wrote: - quote - > i do most of the investment for my family. at this point its just a
It is primarily a matter of convenience, then? A simple, automatic> college savings account and a mutual fund account. these accounts are > linked to my bank account. it would be most convenient for my wife to > deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me > to invest the money. monthly purchase of a fixed dollar amount in a given mutual fund (or, though not advised, a money market fund) could easily be set up from your spouse's regular checking account. Who owns, and who is the beneficiary of, the college savings account -- your minor child? Your tax implications for a qualified college plan on a married filing joint return are detailed in IRS Pub 970. If it is not a qualified plan but simply an investment account, then a significantly different set of tax rules apply. Who owns the mutual fund? If it is an IRA, 401k, or similar retirement plan, there can be exactly one owner for each account. If it is a regular after-tax account, either a sole ownership or joint tenancy could make sense. - quote - > i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected
Since you are asking about "unexpected tax (or otherwise)" consequences,> tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. we have > been filing jointly it would help if you stated what your expected consequences are, then replies could either confirm, revise, or expand your expectations. - quote - > we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the
Well, not everything ;-) Here is one extreme scenario: if one spouse is> impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, > split everything. deliberately failing to report taxable income, and the other spouse can build a case that he or she had no reason to know about it because his or her spouse controlled all the family finances, the so-called "innocent spouse" may be off the hook for paying future federal income tax assessments. -Mark Bole |
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| On Aug 10, 4:52 pm, Dave Dodson <dave_and_da...[at]Juno.com> wrote: - quote - > On Aug 9, 7:39 pm, cporro <cpo...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
thanks for the responses. as far as the amount goes it should be lower> > i do most of the investment for my family. at this point its just a > > college savings account and a mutual fund account. these accounts are > > linked to my bank account. it would be most convenient for my wife to > > deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me > > to invest the money. i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected > > tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. we have > > been filing jointly so i assume her money counts as my money and vice > > versa. we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the > > impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, > > split everything. > > thoughts? > California is a "community property" state. That means that, with > limited exceptions, anything you acquire during your marriage belongs > equally to both of you. For example, pay for work is community > property. You can bring separate property into a marriage, and an > inheritance left to one spouse may be treated as separate property. > However, you must be diligent to maintain separate property, as any > commingling of community into separate property converts it all to > community property. E.g., you inherit $10,000, which you desire to > preserve as separate property. You deposit the check into your > checking account into which you also deposit your pay check. The > inheritance has been commingled with community property, and therefore > has become community property. > If you and your spouse have separate checking accounts, into which > each of you deposit your pay checks, then, even though both accounts > may be in a single name, they would be community property. Any > investment accounts created or added to from such a checking account > would be community property, no matter how it is titled. > You can learn more by googling "california community property". > Dave then 50k anually. i may look into adding her to the accounts. one is vanguard mutual fund account the other is a 529 college savings. possible down the road there will be a brokerage. |
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| cporro wrote: - quote - > it would be most convenient for my wife to
we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the> deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me > to invest the money. i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected > tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. - quote - > impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, > split everything. Spouses can make unlimited transfers between themselves without concerns about gift tax, so that's not an issue. You mentioned that one of the destination accounts is a college savings plan though so you need to keep an eye on the amount transferred to that each year - but only if those contributions, plus other gifts to the plan beneficiary, total more than $12k annually. You can do it, but the IRS wants you to file some paperwork. CA is a community property state so what you're doing could have an effect if your account started as separate property (e.g. money from before the marriage, an inheritance). Once you commingle community and separate property to the point where it can't be distinguished you will probably turn it all into community property. The two are treated differently at the death of one spouse, and are treated differently in divorce. One can come up with scenarios where income taxes end up different, on a split return. So if your account began as separate property and you deposit community property into it (e.g. earnings) and pay your joint expenses, it's all going to get mixed up. -Tad |
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| On Aug 9, 7:39 pm, cporro <cpo...[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > i do most of the investment for my family. at this point its just a
California is a "community property" state. That means that, with> college savings account and a mutual fund account. these accounts are > linked to my bank account. it would be most convenient for my wife to > deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me > to invest the money. i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected > tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. we have > been filing jointly so i assume her money counts as my money and vice > versa. we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the > impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, > split everything. > thoughts? limited exceptions, anything you acquire during your marriage belongs equally to both of you. For example, pay for work is community property. You can bring separate property into a marriage, and an inheritance left to one spouse may be treated as separate property. However, you must be diligent to maintain separate property, as any commingling of community into separate property converts it all to community property. E.g., you inherit $10,000, which you desire to preserve as separate property. You deposit the check into your checking account into which you also deposit your pay check. The inheritance has been commingled with community property, and therefore has become community property. If you and your spouse have separate checking accounts, into which each of you deposit your pay checks, then, even though both accounts may be in a single name, they would be community property. Any investment accounts created or added to from such a checking account would be community property, no matter how it is titled. You can learn more by googling "california community property". Dave |
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| On Aug 9, 5:39 pm, cporro <cpo...[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > i do most of the investment for my family. at this point its just a > college savings account and a mutual fund account. these accounts are > linked to my bank account. it would be most convenient for my wife to > deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me > to invest the money. i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected > tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. we have > been filing jointly so i assume her money counts as my money and vice > versa. we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the > impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, > split everything. > thoughts? Seems way too complicated. Couldn't she also link her account to the investment accounts? And why aren't the investment accounts under both names? Either way between spouses no problem. |
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| cporro wrote: - quote - > i do most of the investment for my family. at this point its just a
As long as she is a citizen, there is no limit to how you transfer> college savings account and a mutual fund account. these accounts are > linked to my bank account. it would be most convenient for my wife to > deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me > to invest the money. i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected > tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. we have > been filing jointly so i assume her money counts as my money and vice > versa. we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the > impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, > split everything. > thoughts? between the two of you. Enough transfers over $10K and you may get a call from the IRS, wondering about money laundering, but you seem to imply regular lower transfers. Mrs. Taxpayer and I have individual checking accounts, as well as a joint account. Each payday we keep enough for our own accounts, and send the rest to joint to handle the bills. We both observed our two sets of parents fumbling over each other working out of the same checkbook. Weren't going to repeat that mistake. You should be fine. JOE |
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| i do most of the investment for my family. at this point its just a college savings account and a mutual fund account. these accounts are linked to my bank account. it would be most convenient for my wife to deposit her contributions into my linked bank account and then for me to invest the money. i'm wondering if there might be some unexpected tax (or otherwise) consequence from doing things this way. we have been filing jointly so i assume her money counts as my money and vice versa. we live in california, have no pre-nup, and are under the impression that in the impossible event of divorce we would, by law, split everything. thoughts? |
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