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Old 06-27-2007, 04:05 PM
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Usenet2007[at]THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG wrote:

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> In article <5edgjdF384kmaU1[at]mid.individual.net> ,
> defaultuserbr[at]yahoo.com says...
> > Thumper wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:57:41 -0500, Justin <nospam[at]insightbb.com> > > wrote:
> > > > > Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?
> > > > > > > That's against the law in my state.
> > > Even if they use a third-party system? That's what Ameren in MO

> > does. There's a $3.50 per transaction fee. That way the utility
> > doesn't have to deal with CC issues, the consumer pays for someone
> > else to handle all that.

> I am curious - Do you know the name of that third-party system?


Western Union Speedpay.

<https://paynow7.speedpay.com/AMEREN/index.asp



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Old 06-27-2007, 01:11 PM
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Usenet2007[at]THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG wrote on [Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:05:51 -0500]:
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> In article <5edgjdF384kmaU1[at]mid.individual.net> ,
> defaultuserbr[at]yahoo.com says...
> > Thumper wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:57:41 -0500, Justin <nospam[at]insightbb.com> > > wrote:
> > > > > Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?
> > > > > > > That's against the law in my state.
> > > Even if they use a third-party system? That's what Ameren in MO does.

> > There's a $3.50 per transaction fee. That way the utility doesn't have
> > to deal with CC issues, the consumer pays for someone else to handle
> > all that.

> I am curious - Do you know the name of that third-party system?


The one Duke Energy uses is called SpeedPay
at https://paynow5.speedpay.com/cinergypsi/index.asp

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Old 06-27-2007, 09:05 AM
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In article <slrnf838ai.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com> ,
nospam[at]insightbb.com says...

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> Thumper wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:25 -0500]:

> > I also think every store should offer instant check clearing. I
> > really can't understand any store would refuse to take checks when
> > they can for a small fee, scan the check in and get it instantly
> > cleared.



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> Because without the small fee they can still accept checks at a higher
> risk?



Lots of stores pay a per-item fee for "Check Guarantee" service.
Equifax is one such provider. Or the store might pay "SCAN" to
look for red-flagged bank accounts.

So, even if they don't have instant clearing, many retailers are
paying fees to reduce risk on checks.


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Old 06-27-2007, 09:05 AM
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In article <5edgjdF384kmaU1[at]mid.individual.net> ,
defaultuserbr[at]yahoo.com says...
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> Thumper wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:57:41 -0500, Justin <nospam[at]insightbb.com> > wrote:
> > > Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?
> > > > That's against the law in my state.

> Even if they use a third-party system? That's what Ameren in MO does.
> There's a $3.50 per transaction fee. That way the utility doesn't have
> to deal with CC issues, the consumer pays for someone else to handle
> all that.



I am curious - Do you know the name of that third-party system?


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Old 06-26-2007, 11:29 PM
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Thumper wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:25 -0500]:
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> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:07:08 -0500, "Elizabeth Richardson"
> <erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > "Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message

> > news:slrnf80veo.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com...
> > > > > Oh no, they themselves don't offer CC payment, they use a third party to
> > > accept CC payments and charge 3.95 extra for CC or check that way.
> > > I can pay my utility payment directly to the utility company via credit

> > card, no third party. This thread started because Thumper though every
> > company should accept electronic payment. Tell your utility (electric,
> > water, sewer, garbage, phone) to get with the program!
> > > Elizabeth Richardson

> I also think every store should offer instant check clearing. I
> really can't understand any store would refuse to take checks when
> they can for a small fee, scan the check in and get it instantly
> cleared.


Because without the small fee they can still accept checks at a higher
risk?

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Old 06-26-2007, 11:29 PM
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Thumper wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:26 -0500]:
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> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:57:41 -0500, Justin <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote:
> > Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:38:21 -0500]:
> > > > > withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge your
> > > electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas here.
> > > Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?

> That's against the law in my state.


Against the law? Please cite the law.

While it may be against the card issuers police, if both checks and CCs
are charged the same fee, it isn't against any law. Just like the IRS
charging extra if you charge your taxes.

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Old 06-26-2007, 11:14 PM
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Thumper wrote:

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> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:57:41 -0500, Justin <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote:

> > Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?

> That's against the law in my state.


Even if they use a third-party system? That's what Ameren in MO does.
There's a $3.50 per transaction fee. That way the utility doesn't have
to deal with CC issues, the consumer pays for someone else to handle
all that.




Brian

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Old 06-26-2007, 09:13 PM
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:57:41 -0500, Justin <nospam[at]insightbb.comwrote:

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> Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:38:21 -0500]:
> > > withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge your

> > electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas here.

> Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?



That's against the law in my state.
Thumper

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Old 06-26-2007, 09:13 PM
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:07:08 -0500, "Elizabeth Richardson"
<erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote:

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> "Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnf80veo.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com...
> > > Oh no, they themselves don't offer CC payment, they use a third party to

> > accept CC payments and charge 3.95 extra for CC or check that way.

> I can pay my utility payment directly to the utility company via credit
> card, no third party. This thread started because Thumper though every
> company should accept electronic payment. Tell your utility (electric,
> water, sewer, garbage, phone) to get with the program!
> Elizabeth Richardson



I also think every store should offer instant check clearing. I
really can't understand any store would refuse to take checks when
they can for a small fee, scan the check in and get it instantly
cleared.
Thumper

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Old 06-26-2007, 09:05 AM
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"Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:6tXfi.119806$Sa4.37446[at]bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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> "BeachBum" <bbghq35[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:P4Vfi.150389$NK5.65482[at]newsfe23.lga...
> > > To further simplify things I allow the

> > electric
> > company, the natural gas company and LTC company to debit my checking
> > account as the bills are due and have had no problems.

> Well, the only debits I've allowed from my checking account were
> contributions to my Vanguard Roth IRA. It's nice that I can now have my
> withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge
> your
> electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas here.
> Elizabeth Richardson

I would if the electric company allowed it - as I said I charge
everything possible to one cc - would love to have all bills and
charges on cc and write no checks!

BeachBum

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Old 06-26-2007, 03:07 AM
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"Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:slrnf80veo.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com...
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> Oh no, they themselves don't offer CC payment, they use a third party to
> accept CC payments and charge 3.95 extra for CC or check that way.


I can pay my utility payment directly to the utility company via credit
card, no third party. This thread started because Thumper though every
company should accept electronic payment. Tell your utility (electric,
water, sewer, garbage, phone) to get with the program!

Elizabeth Richardson

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Old 06-26-2007, 02:46 AM
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Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:09:16 -0500]:
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> "Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnf80p3f.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com...
> > Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:38:21 -0500]:
> > > > > withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge

> your
> > > electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas

> here.
> > > Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?

> If so, it's probably in violation of their contract with Visa/MC.


Oh no, they themselves don't offer CC payment, they use a third party to
accept CC payments and charge 3.95 extra for CC or check that way.

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Old 06-26-2007, 02:39 AM
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Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:11:56 -0500]:
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> "Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnf80p2i.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com...
> > > I do find writing checks inconvenient
> > > and
> > > a complication which should be eliminated in financial transactions. I

> try
> > > Considering they are almost as dangerous as sending cash, yes, they

> > should be.

> Why? Do you think the postal clerks will be stealing checks? If so, then
> don't you think the cc companies sending your replacement cards via mail to
> be a bit dangerous?


CCs are different. It's not your money stolen.

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Old 06-26-2007, 02:11 AM
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"Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:slrnf80p2i.nv.nospam[at]debian.dns2go.com...

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> > I do find writing checks inconvenient
> > and
> > a complication which should be eliminated in financial transactions. I

try
> Considering they are almost as dangerous as sending cash, yes, they
> should be.


Why? Do you think the postal clerks will be stealing checks? If so, then
don't you think the cc companies sending your replacement cards via mail to
be a bit dangerous?

Elizabeth Richardson

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Old 06-26-2007, 02:09 AM
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"Justin" <nospam[at]insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:38:21 -0500]:
> > > withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge

your
> > electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas

here.
> Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?


If so, it's probably in violation of their contract with Visa/MC.

Elizabeth Richardson

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Old 06-26-2007, 12:57 AM
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Elizabeth Richardson wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:38:21 -0500]:
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> withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge your
> electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas here.


Because electric charges extra to pay by CC?

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Old 06-26-2007, 12:57 AM
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BeachBum wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:00:44 -0500]:
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> "Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > "BeachBum" <bbghq35[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > news:yHSfi.150376$NK5.36989[at]newsfe23.lga...
> > > > > > > State Farm will let you pay your insurance with them
> > > on line with a credit card. Genworth does an automatic debit to
> > > my checking account each quarter for my long term care insurance.
> > > > > Well, I hardly think being able to charge the premium to my credit card is

> > a
> > good reason for changing insurance companies. Somehow, writing a check
> > really isn't that much of an inconvenience.
> > As they say - each to his/her own - I do find writing checks inconvenient

> and
> a complication which should be eliminated in financial transactions. I try


Considering they are almost as dangerous as sending cash, yes, they
should be.

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Old 06-26-2007, 12:05 AM
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"Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Well, the only debits I've allowed from my checking account were
> contributions to my Vanguard Roth IRA.


The only debits I allow are for federal and state estimated tax payments.
The IRS pulling money - now there's a scary thought :-).

But I initiate/control these - I tell them when to pull, and how much to
pull. Nevertheless the transfers are structured as are pulls, not pushes.

I opened up a brokerage account, authorized a _onetime_ transfer to
bootstrap the account, and the next thing I know, the brokerage pulled
another $50 from my checking account. Fortunately, no harm done, but this
is a good example of how these "authorized" debits can run amok.

Mark Freeland
BnetOnewsX[at]sbcglobalnet

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Old 06-25-2007, 10:38 PM
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"BeachBum" <bbghq35[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> To further simplify things I allow the
> electric
> company, the natural gas company and LTC company to debit my checking
> account as the bills are due and have had no problems.



Well, the only debits I've allowed from my checking account were
contributions to my Vanguard Roth IRA. It's nice that I can now have my
withdrawals returning to it. Other than that, why don't you also charge your
electric bill to your cc - that's what I do - we have no natural gas here.

Elizabeth Richardson

 
Old 06-25-2007, 09:00 PM
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"Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> "BeachBum" <bbghq35[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yHSfi.150376$NK5.36989[at]newsfe23.lga...
> > > > State Farm will let you pay your insurance with them

> > on line with a credit card. Genworth does an automatic debit to
> > my checking account each quarter for my long term care insurance.
> > Well, I hardly think being able to charge the premium to my credit card is

> a
> good reason for changing insurance companies. Somehow, writing a check
> really isn't that much of an inconvenience.

As they say - each to his/her own - I do find writing checks inconvenient
and
a complication which should be eliminated in financial transactions. I try
to
charge everything to one cc, if possible, and "push" (as Joe says) the
payment
each month to the cc company. To further simplify things I allow the
electric
company, the natural gas company and LTC company to debit my checking
account as the bills are due and have had no problems.

 

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