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| rick++ wrote: - quote - > > Or you are laid off/RIFed 3 months before the year turning 55 !!
But let's be clear. The word 'annuitize' does not have to mean 'buy an> You can annuitize at any age and not pay 10% penalty. > That means five years of withdrawals prorated a minimum > for life expectency. > In most tax-advantaged accounts you see some sort of five > year restriction. I presume thats to prevent these as use > as speculative tax shelters, and encourage long term investing. annuity' here. 72(t) lets you take a series of "substantially equal periodic payments" (SEPP) from your IRA without penalty, you must withdraw money at least once a year, and you must keep taking withdrawals for five years or until you reach age 59½, whichever is longer. part of above reply lifted from http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/wdraw59.html From the above, someone 54½ or older has to do this for 5 years, and then they can withdraw as they wish. JOE |
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| - quote - > Or you are laid off/RIFed 3 months before the year turning 55 !!
You can annuitize at any age and not pay 10% penalty.That means five years of withdrawals prorated a minimum for life expectency. In most tax-advantaged accounts you see some sort of five year restriction. I presume thats to prevent these as use as speculative tax shelters, and encourage long term investing. |
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| Reed wrote: - quote - > snip
That's when you review the 72(t) and see if that's the way you choose to> > > The 'got ya' for some is this; You misunderstand, and retire at 54. > > You may not take withdrawals until 59-1/2 under these rules. You then > > go to rule 72(t) and use that process. > snip > Or you are laid off/RIFed 3 months before the year turning 55 !! > What about a previous employer 401K that was rolled > over to IRA ?? > --reed go. Worse case on 72(t) is you don't need the money (in year 2-5), you pay the tax, and invest what you don't use in a post tax acccount. It just takes some thought to run the numbers. JOE |
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| On Mar 29, 4:00 am, Reed <r...[at]rmi.net> wrote: - quote - > I'm curious, does this rule apply only to the current 401K plan at the
Once you roll a 401(k) to an IRA, age 59.5 applies for unrestricted,> time of age 55+ ?? What about a previous employer 401K that was rolled > over to IRA ?? penalty-free distributions. Dave |
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| snip - quote - > The 'got ya' for some is this; You misunderstand, and retire at 54. You
snip> may not take withdrawals until 59-1/2 under these rules. You then go to > rule 72(t) and use that process. Or you are laid off/RIFed 3 months before the year turning 55 !! I'm curious, does this rule apply only to the current 401K plan at the time of age 55+ ?? What about a previous employer 401K that was rolled over to IRA ?? --reed |
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| On Mar 28, 11:06 am, joetaxpayer <joetaxpa...[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > "no" is right. Specifically, "Distributions received if you separate
More precisely, you can take unrestricted 401(k) distributions without> from service with your employer after you have attained age 55." are not > subject to 10% penalty. As Zoe stated in the original smart money quote > she meets this requirement. > The 'got ya' for some is this; You misunderstand, and retire at 54. You > may not take withdrawals until 59-1/2 under these rules. You then go to > rule 72(t) and use that process. penalty during or after the year in which you attain the age of 55 years. If your 55th birthday is in December, you can terminate employment and take distributions anytime during the year. One caveat is your particular 401(k) plan rules -- they may not permit partial distributions, in which case you might have to take and pay income tax on more than you want. Dave |
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| Elle wrote: - quote - > "kastnna" <kastnna[at]auburnalum.org> wrote
"no" is right. Specifically, "Distributions received if you separate> > Zoe, the exception I believe you are replying to is > > referred to as the > > 72(t) regulations. > No. Rule 72(t) is different from the rule to which the OP is > referring. from service with your employer after you have attained age 55." are not subject to 10% penalty. As Zoe stated in the original smart money quote she meets this requirement. The 'got ya' for some is this; You misunderstand, and retire at 54. You may not take withdrawals until 59-1/2 under these rules. You then go to rule 72(t) and use that process. And we wonder why so many folk are so confused. The rules are endless. JOE JoeTaxpayer.com |
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| On Mar 28, 9:11 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...[at]nospam.earthlink.net> wrote: - quote - > "kastnna" <kast...[at]auburnalum.org> wrote
Oh sorry. Ignore above then.> > Zoe, the exception I believe you are replying to is > > referred to as the > > 72(t) regulations. > No. Rule 72(t) is different from the rule to which the OP is > referring. > The OP should google using the words {401(k) withdrawals > "age 55"}, for one thing, but it sounds like she's on the > right track: Per law, she should not have to pay any > penalty, instead paying only income tax on 401(k) > withdrawals, assuming she meets the criteria for doing so. |
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| "kastnna" <kastnna[at]auburnalum.org> wrote - quote - > Zoe, the exception I believe you are replying to is
No. Rule 72(t) is different from the rule to which the OP is> referred to as the > 72(t) regulations. referring. The OP should google using the words {401(k) withdrawals "age 55"}, for one thing, but it sounds like she's on the right track: Per law, she should not have to pay any penalty, instead paying only income tax on 401(k) withdrawals, assuming she meets the criteria for doing so. |
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| Zoe, the exception I believe you are replying to is referred to as the 72(t) regulations. Regulation 72(t) allows for "substantially equal periodic payments" before age 59 1/2 that do not incur the 10% applied to premature distributions. The guidelines for calculating 72(t) payments are based on mortality tables, the interest rate, and one of three methods to calculate the allowable distribution. Life expectancy, annuitization, or amortization are the three methods allowed for calculating distributions. Here's the important part, you MUST continue to make these substantially equal and periodic payments for the longer of 5 years or until you reach age 59 1/2. If you fail to make a distribution you will be subject to the 10% penalty. Also you essentially "lock-up" your money. In an emergency, you cannot take a lump sum distribution without incurring the 10% penalty on ALL of the other money you prematurely distributed as well as the lump sum. Furthermore, once calculated and implimented you can only change the distribution amount once. All distributions are be taxed as ordinary income. The rules for 72(t) are many and the IRS seems to be constantly modifying them. I would consult with a professional (or a VERY skilled 401(k) plan administrator) before going forward. Good luck. |
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| read this rule on smartmoney: Age 55: If you permanently leave your job for any reason, you can receive distributions from your former employer's qualified retirement plan(s) without being socked with the 10% premature withdrawal penalty tax. This is an exception to the general rule that distributions received before age 59 1/2 are hit with a 10% penalty. does this mean the 401k distributions I would take, at age 55 are subject to only normal income tax ? |
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