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| I saw a few media articles with the headline decrying the decline the other day. "News" mongers, all! Consistent with others' observations, I revised the subject line. The ten percent gain reflects S&P 500 with dividend. Elle In it for the long run. I have faith the world's population will always be consumers, and companies one way or another will always pop up to feed consumers and so need folks like you and me to own them. |
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| On Mar 1, 12:23 am, "The Henchman" <hey...[at]isforhorses.com.easynews.com> wrote: - quote - > In the next 30 years I am sure I will be in this position again and I will
It's a good argument for a constant, per month, investment scheme,> keep cash on hand for such times to buy. > As a brand new investor I was pleased with myself I was very calm and how I > analyzed my holdings during the drop and tried to recognize if this was a > time to incrementally buy some more. > I am also very relieved that a correction has taken place. Much better than > the drip drip drip of a trickling downward trend I would think. rather than trying to 'time the dips'. I don't have the data to hand, but the impact over the last 25 years of missing the 40 best days in the markets, is something to halve your overall return. 40 days, in over 5000 trading days, cuts your return pa by something like 6%. Yesterday might have been the signal for a new bear market, or it might have been simply a small correction. My own view is we'll keep having this upward trend, with jumpy days when the market drops. And then one day we'll hit an iceberg-- it might be a hedge fund blowing up on mortgage backed securities, causing the housing market to freeze, it might be the collapse of an LBO (the LBO of Constellation Airlines, from memory, is thought to have timed the bear market in 1989 or was it the Crash of '87?). Or it might be a particularly duff IPO issue, that soars to a huge premium then falls before issue price forever (Lastminute.com in 2000 called the peak of the dot com boom). Or it might be a Thai bank going down in a scandal (1997), or Russia defaulting on its debt (1998). *that* will kick off the next bear market. When, how far and for how long is unknowable. |
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| On Mar 1, 2:11 am, joetaxpayer <joetaxpa...[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > You will find that over time, the noise of the market's daily moves have
Although someone who was fully invested on 1st Jan 2000, and slept> less impact on your nerves despite the larger dollars involved. Having > one's net worth change +/- $50,000 in one day can sound unsettling, but > time will prove that the 'other' choice is to be in something that has > far less daily volatility, and no chance for growth. I've said before, > one who was fully invested on Jan 1, 1987 and slept that year would have > read the papers new years eve, Dec 31, 1987 and though the year dull, up > 5% or so after dividends. The day to day swings are a distraction to > what's important. > JOE until March 2003 would have had a very different experience-- losing roughly half his or her wealth (for a UK investor, still not caught up-- although the SP500 has climbed back to its previous level (?) the dollar has fallen quite a bit since). Similarly in the period 1968-1979. The best way to look at it is probably: 'great, share prices have dropped, so my dividends (reinvested) will buy more shares, ie more claims on the future cash flows of companies, for more money'. Bear markets, when they come, can be long and grinding. |
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| The Henchman wrote: - quote - > "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
You will find that over time, the noise of the market's daily moves have> news:rq7Fh.4233$re4.144[at]newssvr12.news.prodigy.net... > > You know, I heard a rumor at work today, went home later and logged in to > > my brokerage... I've seen worse. > > > To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long > > term investor. > > > -Mark Bole > As a brand new investor I was pleased with myself I was very calm and how I > analyzed my holdings during the drop and tried to recognize if this was a > time to incrementally buy some more. less impact on your nerves despite the larger dollars involved. Having one's net worth change +/- $50,000 in one day can sound unsettling, but time will prove that the 'other' choice is to be in something that has far less daily volatility, and no chance for growth. I've said before, one who was fully invested on Jan 1, 1987 and slept that year would have read the papers new years eve, Dec 31, 1987 and though the year dull, up 5% or so after dividends. The day to day swings are a distraction to what's important. JOE |
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| "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message news:rq7Fh.4233$re4.144[at]newssvr12.news.prodigy.net... - quote - > You know, I heard a rumor at work today, went home later and logged in to
Since I have started investing, which is only about 12 months now, this is> my brokerage... I've seen worse. > To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long > term investor. > -Mark Bole my first ever buying opportunity. And damn it I just bought a car with cash 2 weeks ago so any money I had for a buying opportunity is tied up for a few months. In the next 30 years I am sure I will be in this position again and I will keep cash on hand for such times to buy. As a brand new investor I was pleased with myself I was very calm and how I analyzed my holdings during the drop and tried to recognize if this was a time to incrementally buy some more. I am also very relieved that a correction has taken place. Much better than the drip drip drip of a trickling downward trend I would think. |
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| On Feb 28, 9:57 am, "Andrew Koenig" <a...[at]acm.org> wrote: - quote - > "Mark Bole" <m...[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
My own view is that there is lots of pain yet to be taken in EM,> news:rq7Fh.4233$re4.144[at]newssvr12.news.prodigy.net... > > You know, I heard a rumor at work today, went home later and logged in to > > my brokerage... I've seen worse. > > To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long > > term investor. > Yeah, my first thought was that I'm still underweight in emerging markets > compared to my long-term plan... notably in BRIC (Brasil Russia China India) but also Hungary, Turkey and possibly Argentina and Mexico. Indonesia perhaps as well. Russia will hold up as long as commodity prices do, ditto Brasil. India in particular looking like a classic 'bubble' market. By contrast, South Korea looks relatively cheap, and there may be other 'cheap' markets-- Taiwan perhaps? |
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| "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message news:rq7Fh.4233$re4.144[at]newssvr12.news.prodigy.net... - quote - > You know, I heard a rumor at work today, went home later and logged in to
Yeah, my first thought was that I'm still underweight in emerging markets> my brokerage... I've seen worse. > To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long > term investor. compared to my long-term plan... |
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| In article <rq7Fh.4233$re4.144[at]newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> , Mark Bole <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote: - quote - > You know, I heard a rumor at work today, went home later and logged in
Yep. I lost $21K today - two steps forward one backwards - I'm still> to my brokerage... I've seen worse. > To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long > term investor. about $200K over what I was this time last year ![]() -- -Ernie- |
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| - quote - > To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long
You know, I was thinking today about all the recent posts re: volatility. I> term investor. was also surprised at how calm I am. In fact, I very nearly groused about no longer being in the accumulation phase. Elizabeth Richardson |
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| You know, I heard a rumor at work today, went home later and logged in to my brokerage... I've seen worse. To me, this -- tolerating today's volatility -- is the mark of the long term investor. -Mark Bole |
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