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Old 01-21-2007, 07:17 PM
Mark Freeland
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Default Re: Schwab; WAS: Re: Chase savings acct - low rates

"joetaxpayer" <joetaxpayer[at]nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Freeland wrote:
> > A few years ago, I read a statement by Schwab acknowledging that the
> > sweep MMFs they provided for settlement accounts paid lower interest than
> > other MMFs (including their own). ... Since then, Schwab has forced
> > many of its customers into even lower-paying Schwab bank accounts. ...

> Schwab's sweep is in the 1.5-2% range.


Oh, ye of too much faith :-). The bank is paying only 0.995% (APY) until
you get over $100K, at which point it pays a whopping 2.613%.
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/...p_feature.html

You can't use their MMFs as sweep accounts until your household balance
reaches $500K. (Technically, you can keep it in an interest-bearing account
at Schwab instead of in their bank, but it would earn the same paltry
interest as the bank.)
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/...erest_services

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> Their fund with $2500 min is 4.74%.

I think you are talking about Schwab Investor MMF (SW2XX).

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> The issue is that when a stock's cash dividend hits the account, you can't
> buy into the MM fund with less than a $500 new purchase.


If you hold this in a retirement account, the minimum additional investment
is $1 (per prospectus). In the list of accounts you gave below, the minimum
would thus not be an obstacle.

But even in a taxable account, there are workarounds. If you hold at least
$3,000 in the MMF (the minimum required is $2,500), then when a dividend
arrives, you could sell $500 from the MMF, and the next day, aggregate it
with the dividend and move it all to the MMF. A different type of
annoyance, to be sure.

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> This may seem trivial, costing maybe $10 lost interest a year, but with
> multiple accounts, Joint, His IRA, Her IRA, His Roth, Her Roth, His
> inherited IRA, Kid's UGMA, the annoyance adds up. I glance at each account
> every month's end to see if any cash needs to be shifted.


Mark Freeland
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Old 01-20-2007, 08:00 PM
joetaxpayer
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Default Schwab; WAS: Re: Chase savings acct - low rates



Mark Freeland wrote:

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> A few years ago, I read a statement by Schwab acknowledging that the
sweep
> MMFs they provided for settlement accounts paid lower interest than other
> MMFs (including their own). Schwab asserted that the sweep funds were there
> for their customers' convenience, and not for long term investing. Since
> then, Schwab has forced many of its customers into even lower-paying Schwab
> bank accounts. (Though for the extremely risk-averse, one may take some
> solace in the bank accounts being FDIC-insured.)


Schwab's sweep is in the 1.5-2% range. Their fund with $2500 min is
4.74%. The issue is that when a stock's cash dividend hits the account,
you can't buy into the MM fund with less than a $500 new purchase.
This may seem trivial, costing maybe $10 lost interest a year, but with
multiple accounts, Joint, His IRA, Her IRA, His Roth, Her Roth, His
inherited IRA, Kid's UGMA, the annoyance adds up. I glance at each
account every month's end to see if any cash needs to be shifted.
JOE

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Old 01-20-2007, 06:44 PM
Mark Freeland
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Default Re: Chase savings acct - low rates

"Tad Borek" <borekfm[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> The WSJ did an article about this recently, it's become a major profit
> center for several of the firms. The article was "How Wall Street 'Sweeps'
> the Cash - Investors' Idle Money Is a Brokerage-Firm Bonanza", 1/11/2007.
> The article claims that Merrill Lynch earned $2 billion from this in 2006.
> Think of that! That's $2 billion in interest that didn't land in their
> clients' accounts. Poof!


A few years ago, I read a statement by Schwab acknowledging that the sweep
MMFs they provided for settlement accounts paid lower interest than other
MMFs (including their own). Schwab asserted that the sweep funds were there
for their customers' convenience, and not for long term investing. Since
then, Schwab has forced many of its customers into even lower-paying Schwab
bank accounts. (Though for the extremely risk-averse, one may take some
solace in the bank accounts being FDIC-insured.)

Other brokers do simlar things. At Fidelity, in a taxable account, the only
taxable choice (as opposed to a muni MMF) for a settlement account is
"Fidelity Cash" - a lower interest-bearing account (not a MMF). One has the
option of investing in Fidelity Cash Reserves, but that is treated like any
other investment, and cannot be used as the "core" account. As Andrew
Koenig points out, Vanguard is better here - Vanguard lets you use its best
yielding MMFs as settlement accounts.

Mark Freeland
BnetOnewsX[at]sbcglobal.net

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Old 01-18-2007, 07:40 PM
Andrew Koenig
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Default Re: Chase savings acct - low rates

"Tad Borek" <borekfm[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> It's even worse at many brokerage firms these days, an issue I've been
> harping on for awhile. If you leave cash on hand it's by far a bigger
> issue than commission rates. TD Ameritrade for example is awful - under 1%
> until your account is over a certain level (which is pretty high).


Wow!

Vanguard's brokerage account requires you to designate a money-market
account for cash sweeps. Their MM accounts are currently paying about 5%.

 
Old 01-18-2007, 05:40 PM
Tad Borek
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P.Schuman wrote:
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> My wife's sister has a Chase checking + savings account.
> It's amazing that the interest rate is in the 2.5% range (for a small account)
> with inflation at about the same rate !!



It's even worse at many brokerage firms these days, an issue I've been
harping on for awhile. If you leave cash on hand it's by far a bigger
issue than commission rates. TD Ameritrade for example is awful - under
1% until your account is over a certain level (which is pretty high).

The WSJ did an article about this recently, it's become a major profit
center for several of the firms. The article was "How Wall Street
'Sweeps' the Cash - Investors' Idle Money Is a Brokerage-Firm Bonanza",
1/11/2007. The article claims that Merrill Lynch earned $2 billion
from this in 2006. Think of that! That's $2 billion in interest that
didn't land in their clients' accounts. Poof!

Look for "Net interest income" as a line item in quarterly reports for a
bank or broker. That's an indication of the rate difference between what
they're paying depositors and what they're earning on the dollars.

Or just look at your rate and vote with your feet!

-Tad

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Old 01-18-2007, 05:28 PM
P.Schuman
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Default Chase savings acct - low rates

My wife's sister has a Chase checking + savings account.
<http://www.chase.com/ccp/index.jsp?p...vings/page/sav
ings_chasepremier
It's amazing that the interest rate is in the 2.5% range (for a small account)
with inflation at about the same rate !!
Therefore, including taxes paid on the interest earned,
the Chase savings account will actually COST money to retain....

 

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