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| Free advice from Toolsformoney.com: MRDs are the IRS's way to ensure people pay back the taxes they saved when they contributed by forcing them to make taxable withdrawals. The basic theory: A divisor is applied based on life expectancy of age 115. This divisor increases annually. For example, at age 80 it's 18.7 and for 90 it's 11.4 and for 115 it's 1. So the amount of money one has is just divided by the divisor and that's how much needs to be withdrawn. So if one had $100,000 and was 80, then $5,348 is the MRD. Many more details on all of the different methods can be found here: http://toolsformoney.com/financial_tools.htm --Mike... Jim W. wrote: - quote - > For one reason or another I have always thought the RMD Life Expectancy > Tables were constructed in such a way that it assured (assuming some > expected return rate) the distributions from the accounts affected by the > RMD would deplete the accounts the minute you passed away. > That doesn't seem to be the case. > So my question is "What is the theory behind the tables?" > JW |
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| Jim W. wrote: - quote - > Of course I'm wrong way more times than I'm right.
Ah, yes ... but isn't it ever so sweet when you are right?:-)> JW |
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| "Jim W." <jw[at]unearthly.net> writes: - quote - > I missing something here. The average life-span of an American male is
The relevent numbers are life expectancy at a given age. Every year> somewhere around 76 years. The first number in the table is 27.4. This you continue to live, your life expectancy actually goes _up_. ie. if you've survived the year, all the folks who didn't - who previously brought down the average, well, their gone. - quote - > From http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p590.pdf
(single life - joint is a little more complicated) startsyou'll see that the life expectancy table for beneficiaries at a life expectancy of 82.4 at birth (age 0). You'll note then that life expectancy at 55 is 29.6 - a total age of 84.6. - quote - > implies to me the number 27.4 is not the number of years I'm expected to
It implies exactly that - folks whove made it to 71 can expect> live past the age of 71, but a number derived by other means. My question > is what goes into that derivation? to live - on average - another 27.4 years. It's the difference between life expectancy at *birth* and life expectancy at 71. All the folks who died before age 71 - who brought the average at birth down to 82.4 - are now gone from the average. -- Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting |
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| Jim W. wrote: - quote - > "Ron Peterson" <ron[at]shell.core.com> wrote in message
Your estimated life span is contingent on your age and for a 70 year> news:1156522322.287629.84940[at]m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > <SNIP> > > So my question is "What is the theory behind the tables?" > > > It's not much of a theory because it depletes the IRA too early. The > > idea is that you have an expected life span at each age so the > > withdrawal for each year is the fraction corresponding to 1/expected > > life span. If you are married and the spouse is the designated > > beneficiary, the expected life span is longer because it is based on > > when you both would die. > I missing something here. The average life-span of an American male is > somewhere around 76 years. The first number in the table is 27.4. This > implies to me the number 27.4 is not the number of years I'm expected to > live past the age of 71, but a number derived by other means. My question > is what goes into that derivation? old would be approximately 15 years (less for a male, more for a female). If you have designated a spouse as a beneficiary, the lifespan is based on the joint probability of at least one person remaining alive that number of years, which partially explains the 27.4 years. There may be some additional weightings to increase the number of years to avoid premature draw down. I haven't found the complete explanation yet, but like others suggest, it might be better to move funds from a regular IRA to a Roth so that the RMD doesn't exceed your normal living expenses. -- Ron |
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| "Ron Peterson" <ron[at]shell.core.com> wrote in message news:1156522322.287629.84940[at]m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... <SNIP> > So my question is "What is the theory behind the tables?" - quote - > It's not much of a theory because it depletes the IRA too early. The
somewhere around 76 years. The first number in the table is 27.4. This> idea is that you have an expected life span at each age so the > withdrawal for each year is the fraction corresponding to 1/expected > life span. If you are married and the spouse is the designated > beneficiary, the expected life span is longer because it is based on > when you both would die. > -- > Ron I missing something here. The average life-span of an American male is implies to me the number 27.4 is not the number of years I'm expected to live past the age of 71, but a number derived by other means. My question is what goes into that derivation? Of course I'm wrong way more times than I'm right. JW |
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| "Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn[at]worldnet.att.net> wrote in message - quote - > > > It's not much of a theory because it depletes the IRA too early. The
here regarding funding your 401k up to employer match and then fund your> > idea is that you have an expected life span at each age so the > > withdrawal for each year is the fraction corresponding to 1/expected > > life span. If you are married and the spouse is the designated > > beneficiary, the expected life span is longer because it is based on > > when you both would die. > This is the primary advantage of a Roth over a Traditional IRA. There is > no > RMD requirement. The following link supports Elizabeth's point and another point often made Roth IRA. http://www.kiplinger.com/personalfin...01kvsroth.html |
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| The RMD is designed for tax collection. It doesnt mean you have to spend the whole distribution. |
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| - quote - > It's not much of a theory because it depletes the IRA too early. The
This is the primary advantage of a Roth over a Traditional IRA. There is no> idea is that you have an expected life span at each age so the > withdrawal for each year is the fraction corresponding to 1/expected > life span. If you are married and the spouse is the designated > beneficiary, the expected life span is longer because it is based on > when you both would die. RMD requirement. Elizabeth Richardson |
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| Jim W. wrote: - quote - > For one reason or another I have always thought the RMD Life Expectancy
It's not much of a theory because it depletes the IRA too early. The> Tables were constructed in such a way that it assured (assuming some > expected return rate) the distributions from the accounts affected by the > RMD would deplete the accounts the minute you passed away. > That doesn't seem to be the case. > So my question is "What is the theory behind the tables?" idea is that you have an expected life span at each age so the withdrawal for each year is the fraction corresponding to 1/expected life span. If you are married and the spouse is the designated beneficiary, the expected life span is longer because it is based on when you both would die. -- Ron |
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| For one reason or another I have always thought the RMD Life Expectancy Tables were constructed in such a way that it assured (assuming some expected return rate) the distributions from the accounts affected by the RMD would deplete the accounts the minute you passed away. That doesn't seem to be the case. So my question is "What is the theory behind the tables?" JW |
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