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| Sounds like what you guys are talking about is a convenient tool used to "price" the policy... there are two people involved in a second-to-die policy, and so if the pricing math was computed only according to as if both were the older person's age, then the policy buyer gets overcharged (older person, more risk of death), and if the pricing is pegged to as if both were the younger insured's age, then the insurance company cheats itself by not factoring in the risk of the older person's shorter life expectency... and so an average age serves as the equalization factor... it reduces the pricing from as if they were both priced at the older person's age, yet increases the pricing from as if they were both priced at the younger person's age. But I don't think that's what JEA actually is... here is the wording on the policy of a neighbor of mine that got us discussing it... "While this policy is in force, BigBucks Insurance Co will pay the death benefit to the Beneficiary if both Joint Insureds dies before the policy anniversary nearest Joint Equal Age 100, or will pay the net cash value, if any, to the owner on the policy nearest Joint Equal Age 100 if both or either Joint Insured is living on that date." So see, here the JEA is 100 because the policy is for if both insureds perish before that age... it's not because one person is currently age 105 and the other is currently aged 95 and they took the average of 100 to utilize as a single factor in the pricing formula. If the policy were mine, I'd ask the agent that I bought it from about it, but I'm not that involved in it... though I'd like to learn more about these things before being sold one in the future. |
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| Cal wrote: - quote - > > Cal, if it costs $500 for a certain amount of insurance for the 73 yr
This is a second to die policy, right?> > old, I agree the 67 year old will cost less, likely $300 (I thought I read > > that the chance of death is somewhat logarithmic doubling every 7 years > > or so). But then the cost to pay on the second death will certainly be > > less than the $300 quoted for the 67 year old, not the average of the two. > > The chance of them both dying is less no matter whom you add. (i.e. adding > > anyone to the 67 year old will give a rate lower than the 67 year old) > > Can't do that math in my head, but it's certainly closer to $250 than to > > $400. > > JOE > > You are neglecting the potential for the younger person to die BEFORE > the older person. Improbable, but still a necessary risk that the > insurer must take into account..... > Cal Adding a second person, no matter how old or sick, would not reduce the 67 year old's life expectancy. The second to die policy must always cost less than that of just a policy on the younger insured. Otherwise, why bother? You are right, that the younger could always die first, but adding the second person doesn't make it any more or less likely. JOE |
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| - quote - > Cal, if it costs $500 for a certain amount of insurance for the 73 yr
You are neglecting the potential for the younger person to die BEFORE> old, I agree the 67 year old will cost less, likely $300 (I thought I read > that the chance of death is somewhat logarhythmic doubling every 7 years > or so). But then the cost to pay on the second death will certainly be > less than the $300 quoted for the 67 year old, not the average of the two. > The chance of them both dying is less no matter whom you add. (i.e. adding > anyone to the 67 year old will give a rate lower than the 67 year old) > Can't do that math in my head, but it's certainly closer to $250 than to > $400. > JOE the older person. Improbable, but still a necessary risk that the insurer must take into account..... Cal |
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| Cal wrote: - quote - > In a nutshell, JEA refers to a mean average between two ages.
old, I agree the 67 year old will cost less, likely $300 (I thought I> The cost of insuring ONE life for a person age 73 is $XXXX. > The cost of " " " " " " 67 is LESS > since that person will live longer, and pay more through out those extra 6 > years. > The cost of insuring both lives, but only paying on the death of the second > one is a rough median between the two. > Cal, if it costs $500 for a certain amount of insurance for the 73 yr read that the chance of death is somewhat logarhythmic doubling every 7 years or so). But then the cost to pay on the second death will certainly be less than the $300 quoted for the 67 year old, not the average of the two. The chance of them both dying is less no matter whom you add. (i.e. adding anyone to the 67 year old will give a rate lower than the 67 year old) Can't do that math in my head, but it's certainly closer to $250 than to $400. JOE |
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| In a nutshell, JEA refers to a mean average between two ages. The cost of insuring ONE life for a person age 73 is $XXXX. The cost of " " " " " " 67 is LESS since that person will live longer, and pay more through out those extra 6 years. The cost of insuring both lives, but only paying on the death of the second one is a rough median between the two. <studylogic06[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1156008799.751803.11590[at]75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... - quote - > Hi, > Can someone provide a definition/explanation for the term "Joint Equal > Age" (JEA) that is often spoken about in survivorship or second-to-die > life insurance? > I've seen some short explanations while reading articles on insurance, > but are of no help because the writer is explaining it as if talking to > himself rather than to someone who really hasn't a clue. > Thanks for any help. |
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| Hi, Can someone provide a definition/explanation for the term "Joint Equal Age" (JEA) that is often spoken about in survivorship or second-to-die life insurance? I've seen some short explanations while reading articles on insurance, but are of no help because the writer is explaining it as if talking to himself rather than to someone who really hasn't a clue. Thanks for any help. |
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