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| "Jon" <jonworth[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1139497511.787413.311250[at]f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... - quote - > Hi folks, despite the fact that some of the discussions are a bit over
In general, no. You're already too aggressive for a retirement fund, by my> this newbie's head I really enjoy this forum and appreciate the sharing > of knowledge. I have a couple of questions: > 1) I am wondering if I should adjust my 401k allocation. I am 36, > contributing 12% of my pay, and using a "growth"-type model. > Unfortunately I am a latecomer to saving for retirement, with only $27k > in my account thus far (although I do plan to increase this witholding > closer to 20% and just set up a Roth IRA). Here are my allocations: > 45% AF GROWTH OF AMER R5 > 25% FID DIVERSIFIED INTL > 17% FIDELITY MIP II CL 3 > 8% DODGE & COX INCOME > 2% COMPANY STOCK FUND > 1.5% TRP SM CAP STOCK > 1.5% SPARTAN US EQ INDEX > As I probably won't retire for at least another 30 years, should I > should be more aggressive with these? way of thinking, unless you have some sort of vested pension. More specifically, I'm no fan of the Growth Fund of America. It's gutwrenchingly volatile, but, then again, I'm no fan of growth funds in 401K's anyway. Whatever floats your boat. I do like FDIVX. I don't know what Fidelity MIP is, but please tell me you're not holding municipals in a tax-advantaged account. Dodge and Cox is a gold standard -- if your 401K lets you get into DODGX, I'd get into that as well, and fast. I think I could be pretty - quote - > tolerant of fluctuations in the market, although having said that...
It;s probably better to go with a less agressive posture and not have to try> 2) ...would it be smart to periodically tweak my allocations in > response to said market fluctuations? IOW, if an aggressive 401k > strategy is taking a hit, go more conservative, and vice versa? and guess the market. Like I said above, if you can get into DODGX, I'd split the 45% between the two, and if you can add in an emerging markets fund somehow (they're hard to find, even using mutual fund windows, I know) that would improve diversification. Mike |
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| "Bucky" <uw_badgers[at]email.com> wrote in message news:1139520726.031711.208170[at]g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... - quote - > Jon wrote:
WE DISAGREE. PUT ALL YOUR MONEY IN COMPANY STOCK!!!> > As I probably won't retire for at least another 30 years, should I > > should be more aggressive with these? I think I could be pretty > > tolerant of fluctuations in the market, although having said that... > Your current allocation looks fine at a glance. Make sure you check the > expense ratios on all your funds to make sure you're not getting ripped > off. Also, most experts suggest not holding your own company (or any > one company) stock in 401K. You only have 2%, so that's not a big deal. > But I would stop contributing to it. Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling :-) - quote - > > 2) ...would it be smart to periodically tweak my allocations in > > response to said market fluctuations? > Yes, you should review your allocations at least once a year to see how > market fluctuations have changed the allocation amounts. > > IOW, if an aggressive 401k > > strategy is taking a hit, go more conservative, and vice versa? > No, that's backwards. If your aggressive strategy has been taking hit > (stocks have gone down), and you go more conservative (sell those > stocks), then you're buying high and selling low. You'll miss out when > those stocks bounce back. Rebalancing usually means to cut back on the > funds that have outperformed the market. |
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| - quote - > Third, it sounds like you want some ideas on portfolio allocation. May I
Thanks so much for the info and the link...I will look at it tonight.> suggest experimenting with the free online allocation tools listed at > http://home.earthlink.net/~elle_navorski/id4.html ? It may take a few hours > a weekend for several weekends for a lot of the ideas they present to sink > in. But given your time horizon, these are hours well spent. |
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| Thank you all for your help! I really appreciate your words of wisdom. I can see that I have a lot to learn...this is a great place to start. Cheers... --Jon |
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| Jon wrote: - quote - > As I probably won't retire for at least another 30 years, should I
Your current allocation looks fine at a glance. Make sure you check the> should be more aggressive with these? I think I could be pretty > tolerant of fluctuations in the market, although having said that... expense ratios on all your funds to make sure you're not getting ripped off. Also, most experts suggest not holding your own company (or any one company) stock in 401K. You only have 2%, so that's not a big deal. But I would stop contributing to it. - quote - > 2) ...would it be smart to periodically tweak my allocations in
Yes, you should review your allocations at least once a year to see how> response to said market fluctuations? market fluctuations have changed the allocation amounts. - quote - > IOW, if an aggressive 401k
No, that's backwards. If your aggressive strategy has been taking hit> strategy is taking a hit, go more conservative, and vice versa? (stocks have gone down), and you go more conservative (sell those stocks), then you're buying high and selling low. You'll miss out when those stocks bounce back. Rebalancing usually means to cut back on the funds that have outperformed the market. |
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| "Jon" <jonworth[at]yahoo.com> wrote - quote - > 2) ...would it be smart to periodically tweak my allocations in
I'm not sure I'm understanding your motivation here correctly. Generally> response to said market fluctuations? IOW, if an aggressive 401k > strategy is taking a hit, go more conservative, and vice versa? speaking, never chase returns. That's a fool's game. But definitely re-balance to maintain the asset allocation you believe is appropriate for your risk level and age. So if, say, your small caps allocation has gone from 15% to 25% over a year's time, sell off some of that small cap allocation to bring it back to 15% (or whatever your current allocation goal is) of your portfolio. Second, I can't tell exactly how you're prioritizing your retirement saving, but the general rule of thumb is: (a) contribute to 401(k) up to employer's match (b) contribute to Roth IRA to max (c) resume contributions to 401(k) Ask if you don't understand the reasoning behind this rule of thumb. Third, it sounds like you want some ideas on portfolio allocation. May I suggest experimenting with the free online allocation tools listed at http://home.earthlink.net/~elle_navorski/id4.html ? It may take a few hours a weekend for several weekends for a lot of the ideas they present to sink in. But given your time horizon, these are hours well spent. |
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| age 36, with 27k is not bad. Especially with 12% contribution. Add a Roth IRA and your situation will improve with time. It could be worse: some people (see other threads) are older with less, or older with only slightly more. If you choose to be aggressive, you need to make your decisions "mechanical", implying if this, then this. If you make decisions on emotion you might sell at the bottom and buy on the top. what I see in your allocation is one fund is twice as much as another, and then that fund is twice as much as another... is their any logic to this? Most people need 3-6 funds (see * for categories frequently found in most investors portfolios): *Large Cap Mid Cap *Small Cap *International Bond-US optional: bond-international international large cap international small cap growth and value in each category I use a fund mix which includes Large Cap Value, Mid Cap Value, Mid Cap Growth, Small Cap Growth, International Small Cap, International Large Cap Value and International Bond. There is also two index funds which are in use which overlap these (401k and Roth IRA for me have overlap of assets). |
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| Hi folks, despite the fact that some of the discussions are a bit over this newbie's head I really enjoy this forum and appreciate the sharing of knowledge. I have a couple of questions: 1) I am wondering if I should adjust my 401k allocation. I am 36, contributing 12% of my pay, and using a "growth"-type model. Unfortunately I am a latecomer to saving for retirement, with only $27k in my account thus far (although I do plan to increase this witholding closer to 20% and just set up a Roth IRA). Here are my allocations: 45% AF GROWTH OF AMER R5 25% FID DIVERSIFIED INTL 17% FIDELITY MIP II CL 3 8% DODGE & COX INCOME 2% COMPANY STOCK FUND 1.5% TRP SM CAP STOCK 1.5% SPARTAN US EQ INDEX As I probably won't retire for at least another 30 years, should I should be more aggressive with these? I think I could be pretty tolerant of fluctuations in the market, although having said that... 2) ...would it be smart to periodically tweak my allocations in response to said market fluctuations? IOW, if an aggressive 401k strategy is taking a hit, go more conservative, and vice versa? Thanks in advance for any wisdom anyone can share on this! --Jon |
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