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Old 06-23-2005, 12:30 AM
Mark Freeland
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Default Re: The Long Treasury Bond Oft Quoted but Does it Exist?

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> Tad,
> The sites I normally check like Yahoo and Bloomberg give the 30 yr
> treasury rate without any disclaimers so I am still puzzled. The lack of
> disclaimer made me wonder if there was actually a 30 year bond being
> issued through a channel other than the auctions. If the quote
> generators synthesize a hypothetical bond to fill in the table, it should
> be so-stated IMO.


When one asks for a quote for the S&P 500 index (SPX), one understands that
this is the S&P 500 Composite Stock Price Index, and that the current quote
is a hybrid of free float and cap weighting ("half float") and not the
provisional full float index.

http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/amex/34-50019.pdf
["S&P has stated that, notwithstanding the simultaneous calculation of
provisional indexes, there will still be only one official set of S&P
indexes." p. 3]

Likewise, when one asks for a quote for the 30 year Treasury Index, there is
the understanding that this is a quote of yield (not price), and that this
is based on the most recently auctioned 30 year Treasury bond. That is the
definition of this index.

Here's the NASDAQ definition:
http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/glossary.stm#Treas

Of course if the quote deviates from the standard definition, then you are
right that the site needs to define what its quote represents.

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Old 06-22-2005, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: The Long Treasury Bond Oft Quoted but Does it Exist?


"Tad Borek" <borekfm[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:sxYte.2061$Bx6.1182[at]newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
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> JB wrote:
> > They quit auctioning the 30-yr treasury almost four years ago, yet it's
> > referenced every day.
> > > Is there indeed a 30 yr treasury bond today or are they actually quoting

> > the most recently auctioned bond which is effectively a 26 yr bond?
> > > I checked the Bureau of Public Debt site before posting and could not

> > find the answer.

> JB-
> There are no new 30-year Treasuries being issued, not since 2001. What you
> see quoted depends on where you're looking. A few variations are:
> * quote the rate for 20-year bonds - this is what the Dept of Treasury
> data does now
> * look at the yields for all of the longer-dated bonds that exist, and
> extrapolate a hypothetical 30-year rate
> * list a composite average for all the Treasury bonds beyond a certain
> maturity, eg 20+ years or 25+ years
> There's talk of issuing 30-year bonds again, as early as in Feb 06.
> -Tad




Tad,

The sites I normally check like Yahoo and Bloomberg give the 30 yr treasury
rate without any disclaimers so I am still puzzled. The lack of disclaimer
made me wonder if there was actually a 30 year bond being issued through a
channel other than the auctions. If the quote generators synthesize a
hypothetical bond to fill in the table, it should be so-stated IMO.

Thank you for your input. I enjoyed reading your other posts also.

JB


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Old 06-21-2005, 06:57 PM
Tad Borek
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Default Re: The Long Treasury Bond Oft Quoted but Does it Exist?

JB wrote:
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> They quit auctioning the 30-yr treasury almost four years ago, yet it's
> referenced every day.
> Is there indeed a 30 yr treasury bond today or are they actually quoting the
> most recently auctioned bond which is effectively a 26 yr bond?
> I checked the Bureau of Public Debt site before posting and could not find
> the answer.


JB-
There are no new 30-year Treasuries being issued, not since 2001. What
you see quoted depends on where you're looking. A few variations are:

* quote the rate for 20-year bonds - this is what the Dept of Treasury
data does now

* look at the yields for all of the longer-dated bonds that exist, and
extrapolate a hypothetical 30-year rate

* list a composite average for all the Treasury bonds beyond a certain
maturity, eg 20+ years or 25+ years

There's talk of issuing 30-year bonds again, as early as in Feb 06.

-Tad

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Old 06-20-2005, 09:56 AM
JB
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Default The Long Treasury Bond Oft Quoted but Does it Exist?

They quit auctioning the 30-yr treasury almost four years ago, yet it's
referenced every day.

Is there indeed a 30 yr treasury bond today or are they actually quoting the
most recently auctioned bond which is effectively a 26 yr bond?

I checked the Bureau of Public Debt site before posting and could not find
the answer.

 

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