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| Tad, Thanks for the detailed response. This is basically what I thought, but you put a lot more meat around the issue. -Will |
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| Will Trice wrote: - quote - > So now I understand Beliavsky's post as well. Is it common to consider
Will-> the stock such a good buy (and the bond such a good short) that this > would be an arbitrage situation? I saw that article and it had me scratching my head. I think the whole inflation issue is kind of a red herring because there are some more fundamental problems. It seems like a strategy right out of academia - that observes "stocks are riskier than bonds" and builds from there without looking at some of the details of the transaction. There's risk in there and it's not the kind of arbitrage where profit is guaranteed. They're not looking at preferred stock or convertible bonds, special cases where I can think of true arbitrage trades. A basic issue is that a common stock's dividend can be cut, whereas bond interest and time of repayment is essentially set in stone. So you might turn up some companies that are about to cut their dividends (or that the market thinks...). That's a problem because the trade works only when you collect enough dividend to pay the interest to the owner of the bond that you borrowed and sold. Also tax treatment is different for these two securities and they should talk in terms of after-tax yields. I guess that would favor the stock in most cases, but they mentioned EOP which had return-of-capital as part of its dividend - that's not a true dividend IMO. Also it seems odd they don't talk about protecting against a drop in stock price using a put option, which again would make it more of an arbitrage trade. What if the stock price dips between now and the maturity date of the bond - how would you repay the bond? I don't think this is so out-there as a risk. Remember when Citi had all those Latin American loans? Isn't there a fear that WaMu has profits too tied to refinancings? Plus it doesn't consider some of the limitations investors have when shorting securities. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say the article was directed at institutional investors. Last, the inflation subtraction...again, straight out of academia. Starting with: is CPI at all relevant to this specific company's business? Aren't they implicitly trying to predict inflation in describing the trade? I do think high dividend yields vs. bond yields are worth a look at the "story", to assess the stock as a long-term investment. But not as a true arbitrage trade. To me this is one of the weaker "strategy" articles I can recall in the WSJ, it has a lot of "yeah, but..." caveats. -Tad |
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| Will Trice wrote: - quote - > bond yield + inflation > = dividend yield
Sorry, this should have been:bond yield - inflation > = dividend yield -Will |
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| So now I understand Beliavsky's post as well. Is it common to consider the stock such a good buy (and the bond such a good short) that this would be an arbitrage situation? Thanks! -Will |
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| beliavsky[at]aol.com wrote: - quote - > The underlying assumption is that in the future the company's revenues,
Sorry, I'm still confused. How does your statement above translate into> profits, dividends, and therefore stock price will grow as fast as > inflation. If the stock price rises at rate i and the the dividend > yield stays constant at d, the total return will be (i+d). > There is no guarantee that a company can increase its dividends at the > rate of inflation. the following hypothesis: bond yield + inflation > = dividend yield And that when actual data violates this hypothesis an arbitrage opportunity is available? Thanks! -Will |
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| The stocks are believed to be a good bet against inflation. What is inflation? Take a moment to think about it. Let's assume all american companies collectively earn $100 this year. Also picture the inflation at 3%. That means that the prices rise 3% in one year. Where does all this price increases go? They show up on the balance sheet of the corporations as nominal profit growth. This 3% inflation rate will cause the total profit for the american companies to rise to $103 next year. If P/E stays constant, then stock prices will rise by 3% also. The dividends will rise by 3%. Your nominal pay will increase by 3%. The house prices will go up by 3%......... In an ideal world, of course!!! You get the point. That's why if the stock pays higher dividend then bond minus inflation, then it should be a good buy, assuming if the stock price does not fall. http://therealreturns.blogspot.com |
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| Will Trice wrote: - quote - > I understand that if the
The underlying assumption is that in the future the company's revenues,> common stock and the bonds behave normally then the bonds can be > expected to have a higher yield than the common stock (which they do). > But why should this still be true after I subtract the inflation rate > from the bond yield (i.e. the bond yield should be greater than the > dividend yield by at least the rate of inflation)? profits, dividends, and therefore stock price will grow as fast as inflation. If the stock price rises at rate i and the the dividend yield stays constant at d, the total return will be (i+d). There is no guarantee that a company can increase its dividends at the rate of inflation. |
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| On page C3 of the Wall Street Journal on 1/25/05 was an article entitled, "Market Anomaly May Lead to Profit." This article mentions several companies whose bonds *less inflation* pay less in interest than the dividend yield on the common stock. The author (Karen Richardson) considers this an arbitrage opportunity and suggests that investors may want to buy shares of the stock and short the bonds. One of the companies mentioned was Citigroup, whose common shares I already own, so I checked on the details. The bond yields are actually greater than the dividend yield of the common stock, but if you subtract out a nominal figure for inflation from the bond yield, then the dividend yield is indeed higher. So what? I'm clearly missing something. I understand that if the common stock and the bonds behave normally then the bonds can be expected to have a higher yield than the common stock (which they do). But why should this still be true after I subtract the inflation rate from the bond yield (i.e. the bond yield should be greater than the dividend yield by at least the rate of inflation)? Any thoughts y'all might have would be appreciated, -Will |
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