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Old 02-16-2004, 11:52 PM
Ignoramus17304
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Default Re: Calculating rate of return

In article <AUaYb.24574$h91.1293[at]newssvr27.news.prodigy.com> , Tad Borek wrote:
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> Ignoramus17304 wrote:
> > I have a brokerage account. During the last several years, I funded
> > the account a few times, received dividends, etc etc. I would like to
> > know how I can calculate my return over a given period. I think that I
> > understand the math behind it, but actually doing the calculation
> > *right* is quite difficult. So, I would prefer to find some piece of
> > software that could actually get my comma separated/excel log of all
> > starting positions, historical prices, my contributions, dividends
> > paid etc, and calculate return.

> You're right, the math-by-hand route is a bear. There's a cash-flow
> function built into Excel that can do this for you though.
> The function is XIRR() which handles cash flows at irregular intervals.
> It isn't loaded with the basic install, you might need to add in the
> function set (see the Help file in Excel).
> All you need to consider are your deposits and withdrawals, and the
> ending account value. The dividends happen "internally" so won't effect
> the rate of return calculation. Or rather, you don't really need to
> consider them unless you got them out of the account, in which case
> you'd treat them as a withdrawal of cash from the system.
> Set up a spreadsheet:
> Col-A Col-B
> Date 1 first deposit (or starting account value)
> Date 2 deposit/wdl
> Date 3 deposit/wdl
> ...
> Date N "withdrawal" (final value)
> Signs are important here...all deposits are negative, all withdrawals
> are positive. You can reverse col A - B, I think it's more intuitive to
> put the date first.
> Then create a cell with the cell references for the ranges:
> =XIRR(cashflow1:cashflowN, date1:dateN)
> and the calculated result will be your internal rate of return (IRR)
> over that date range. Which is one, though not the only, way of
> measuring the return on your account.
> If you want to check IRR for intermediate periods, you would just insert
> a "final value" equal to the total account value on a given date, and
> reset your cell ranges. Ditto if you want to begin at something other
> than the account-opening date; the first "deposit" is simply the initial
> account value.
> Just keep track of the sign convention - it follows the standard finance
> convention - money going INTO the account is negative, money coming OUT
> is positive, including your final value (essentially you act as if you
> withdrew the entire account on the last date, and see what rate of
> return was necessary to provide that series of cash flows).
> -Tad


Thanks Tad, this is an excellent suggestion.

i

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Old 02-16-2004, 09:59 PM
Rich Carreiro
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Default Re: Calculating rate of return

Tad Borek <borekfm[at]pacbell.net> writes:

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> The function is XIRR() which handles cash flows at irregular
> intervals. It isn't loaded with the basic install, you might need to
> add in the function set (see the Help file in Excel).


I believe the module you need to load is called
the Analysis Toolpak.

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Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us

 
Old 02-16-2004, 08:50 PM
Tad Borek
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Default Re: Calculating rate of return

Ignoramus17304 wrote:

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> I have a brokerage account. During the last several years, I funded
> the account a few times, received dividends, etc etc. I would like to
> know how I can calculate my return over a given period. I think that I
> understand the math behind it, but actually doing the calculation
> *right* is quite difficult. So, I would prefer to find some piece of
> software that could actually get my comma separated/excel log of all
> starting positions, historical prices, my contributions, dividends
> paid etc, and calculate return.


You're right, the math-by-hand route is a bear. There's a cash-flow
function built into Excel that can do this for you though.
The function is XIRR() which handles cash flows at irregular intervals.
It isn't loaded with the basic install, you might need to add in the
function set (see the Help file in Excel).

All you need to consider are your deposits and withdrawals, and the
ending account value. The dividends happen "internally" so won't effect
the rate of return calculation. Or rather, you don't really need to
consider them unless you got them out of the account, in which case
you'd treat them as a withdrawal of cash from the system.


Set up a spreadsheet:

Col-A Col-B
Date 1 first deposit (or starting account value)
Date 2 deposit/wdl
Date 3 deposit/wdl
....
Date N "withdrawal" (final value)

Signs are important here...all deposits are negative, all withdrawals
are positive. You can reverse col A - B, I think it's more intuitive to
put the date first.

Then create a cell with the cell references for the ranges:
=XIRR(cashflow1:cashflowN, date1:dateN)
and the calculated result will be your internal rate of return (IRR)
over that date range. Which is one, though not the only, way of
measuring the return on your account.

If you want to check IRR for intermediate periods, you would just insert
a "final value" equal to the total account value on a given date, and
reset your cell ranges. Ditto if you want to begin at something other
than the account-opening date; the first "deposit" is simply the initial
account value.

Just keep track of the sign convention - it follows the standard finance
convention - money going INTO the account is negative, money coming OUT
is positive, including your final value (essentially you act as if you
withdrew the entire account on the last date, and see what rate of
return was necessary to provide that series of cash flows).

-Tad

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Old 02-16-2004, 07:17 PM
Ignoramus17304
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Default Calculating rate of return

I have a brokerage account. During the last several years, I funded
the account a few times, received dividends, etc etc. I would like to
know how I can calculate my return over a given period. I think that I
understand the math behind it, but actually doing the calculation
*right* is quite difficult. So, I would prefer to find some piece of
software that could actually get my comma separated/excel log of all
starting positions, historical prices, my contributions, dividends
paid etc, and calculate return.

i

 

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