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Old 12-03-2003, 05:26 PM
HW \Skip\ Weldon
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Default Re: 63 year old man and his IRAs

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 04:10:58 CST, "_JP"
<YamYam[at]nospamsplease.megapathdsl.net> wrote:

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> The reason is, since he is going to be 70 soon (according to him, although I
> personally don't think 7 years is that "soon"), and that's the time IRS will
> "force" him to make withdrawals. When the time comes, he will set up
> periodic withdrawal schedules for those three IRA accounts differently;
> fast, slow, and somewhere in between. Therefore, he believes he should keep
> three different IRA accounts like now.


I don't see any problem with three different withdrawal amounts - as
long as the total amount withdrawn yearly is not less than the minimum
distribution required.


-HW "Skip" Weldon
Columbia, SC

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Old 12-03-2003, 04:16 PM
Tad Borek
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Default Re: 63 year old man and his IRAs

_JP wrote:
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> Well, that's not me.
> Anyway, yesterday I had a chance to have a little chitchat with a 66 year
> old man (he was a quite funny person, too).
> He currently has 3 IRA annuity accounts with 3 different
> investment/insurance/financial companies. When I asked him if he had ever
> considered consolidating them into one account (rolling two of them over to
> the other one), he said he must not.
> The reason is, since he is going to be 70 soon (according to him, although I
> personally don't think 7 years is that "soon"), and that's the time IRS will
> "force" him to make withdrawals. When the time comes, he will set up
> periodic withdrawal schedules for those three IRA accounts differently;
> fast, slow, and somewhere in between. Therefore, he believes he should keep
> three different IRA accounts like now.


For determining your required minimum distribution, to the IRS there's
only one "IRA," the sum of all your individual IRA accounts. The
distribution is set by the total value of those accounts.

You don't need to take a distribution from each of them though, you can
allocate it however you want across the accounts.

-Tad

 
Old 12-03-2003, 01:32 PM
BMS
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He should keep them separate if they have varying returns. It is the reverse
of the debt payment logic. Take the Required Minimum Distribution (RMD) from
the poorest yielding bucket of money, exhaust that and move on from there.
The IRS looks at your IRA assets in total and the fund can set the RMD based
on the information

You like your spouse or your dog. Unless there is a customer service issue,
the only game that matters in the end is yield.

Given any surrender charges, if he moves an account it would be to get
better yields.

"_JP" <YamYam[at]nospamsplease.megapathdsl.net> wrote in message
news:vsr1lf9ibif215[at]corp.supernews.com...
- quote -

> Well, that's not me.
> Anyway, yesterday I had a chance to have a little chitchat with a 66 year
> old man (he was a quite funny person, too). And during our conversation,

he
> told me about something that I didn't know. I decided to come here and
> verify its truthfulness.
> Here's the deal;
> He currently has 3 IRA annuity accounts with 3 different
> investment/insurance/financial companies. When I asked him if he had ever
> considered consolidating them into one account (rolling two of them over

to
> the other one), he said he must not.
> The reason is, since he is going to be 70 soon (according to him, although

I
> personally don't think 7 years is that "soon"), and that's the time IRS

will
> "force" him to make withdrawals. When the time comes, he will set up
> periodic withdrawal schedules for those three IRA accounts differently;
> fast, slow, and somewhere in between. Therefore, he believes he should

keep
> three different IRA accounts like now.
> 1)
> First of all, is he allowed to do that at all? It's like he is telling

IRS
> that he plans on living until age 80, then age 90, and then again age 100
> while he only has one life to live. Obviously I don't know much about the
> rules and regulations on IRA, but it just seems very illogical for IRS to
> allow anyone to do this.
> 2)
> Even if he's allowed to do so, would it be a wise thing to do? That man
> still has some taxable income even though he's retired, which sounded like
> from some properties that he owns (like rents from apartment or retail
> building). So, I guess he figured that it would be too much tax burden if
> he takes the all the money out together. I don't know. I guess it is
> different case by case, and maybe in his case it could be a right thing to
> do.
> 3)
> Let's say he's allowed to do have different withdrawal schedules and doing
> so is a right thing to do for him. Then, does this situation still

justify
> his logic of not consolidating his multiple IRA accounts? Well, maybe he
> must have multiple accounts to do this "trick." But then, can't he do it
> with one company, like having three different annuity accounts in one
> company? He seemed very happy with one company, very unhappy with

another,
> and somewhere in the middle with the other. I am wondering if he can move
> his money from the other two companies to the one he likes the most.
> Thank you for your reply in advance.


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Old 12-03-2003, 10:10 AM
_JP
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Default 63 year old man and his IRAs

Well, that's not me.

Anyway, yesterday I had a chance to have a little chitchat with a 66 year
old man (he was a quite funny person, too). And during our conversation, he
told me about something that I didn't know. I decided to come here and
verify its truthfulness.

Here's the deal;

He currently has 3 IRA annuity accounts with 3 different
investment/insurance/financial companies. When I asked him if he had ever
considered consolidating them into one account (rolling two of them over to
the other one), he said he must not.

The reason is, since he is going to be 70 soon (according to him, although I
personally don't think 7 years is that "soon"), and that's the time IRS will
"force" him to make withdrawals. When the time comes, he will set up
periodic withdrawal schedules for those three IRA accounts differently;
fast, slow, and somewhere in between. Therefore, he believes he should keep
three different IRA accounts like now.

1)
First of all, is he allowed to do that at all? It's like he is telling IRS
that he plans on living until age 80, then age 90, and then again age 100
while he only has one life to live. Obviously I don't know much about the
rules and regulations on IRA, but it just seems very illogical for IRS to
allow anyone to do this.

2)
Even if he's allowed to do so, would it be a wise thing to do? That man
still has some taxable income even though he's retired, which sounded like
from some properties that he owns (like rents from apartment or retail
building). So, I guess he figured that it would be too much tax burden if
he takes the all the money out together. I don't know. I guess it is
different case by case, and maybe in his case it could be a right thing to
do.

3)
Let's say he's allowed to do have different withdrawal schedules and doing
so is a right thing to do for him. Then, does this situation still justify
his logic of not consolidating his multiple IRA accounts? Well, maybe he
must have multiple accounts to do this "trick." But then, can't he do it
with one company, like having three different annuity accounts in one
company? He seemed very happy with one company, very unhappy with another,
and somewhere in the middle with the other. I am wondering if he can move
his money from the other two companies to the one he likes the most.


Thank you for your reply in advance.



 

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