Go Back   CDN Business Directory > Main Category > Financial Planning

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-28-2003, 08:05 PM
FranksPlace2
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Which Monies First

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I understand that possible
step-up basis and marginal tax rates factor in. I will look at these.

Frank



"Gene E. Utterback, EA" <eagent[at]alliancetax.com> wrote in message news:<zv73b.41$ib4.46991[at]news.uswest.net> ...
- quote -

> "FranksPlace2" <franksplace2[at]email.com> wrote in message
> news:d6bbed5b.0308250924.5ba6ff0d[at]posting.google.com...
> > I plan to retire in about a year and start withdrawing my savings and
> > retirement money for expenses. I don't expect my tax rate to go down
> > as now I will have a lot more time to spend money.
> > > I have always planned to use my aftertax savings first; they will last

> > about 18 months. Afterwards I will draw on my tax deferred accounts.
> > My rule is always defer taxes.
> > > Recently an advisor suggested I draw on the tax deferred acounts

> > first, reserving the aftertax money. I did not understand why.
> > > Why would that be better?
> > > Frank

> > First, you should ask your advisor what his reasoning is, then see if you

> agree with it.
> Depending on the facts and circumstances of the case at point, it can be
> advantageous to draw on the deferred money earlier if doing so will get some
> of it taxed at a lower rate. You didn't mention specifics, so I'll make
> some up - Let's suppose you need $5,000 per month to live on, will be 69
> this year, and are single with no dependents and don't itemize. You have
> $90,000 in after tax investments and $500,000 in tax deferred investments.
> 1st year - you live on the after tax investments of $60K and have no tax
> bill.
> 2nd year - you live half on tax deferred investments of $30K and pay
> approximately $2900 in Federal tax. Your marginal bracket is 15%
> from the 3rd year on - you live on $60K in deferred investments and pay
> approximately $10,150 in Federal tax. Your marginal bracket is 27%
> So for a 6 year period you'd have the following taxes:
> Year 1 - $0
> Year 2 - $2,900
> Year 3 - $10,150
> Year 4 - $10,150
> Year 5 - $10,150
> Year 6 - $10,150
> Total - $43,500
> Had you split your needs between thx deferred and after tax investments you
> may have had the following:
> 6 Years of $15K in after tax money used and $45K in deferred money used -
> result is $36,150 in taxable income with tax of $6,100 due in each year.
> Times 6 years = $36,600 in total taxes.
> OR about $6,900 less than if you followed your rule to always defer taxes.
> Of course, this example does not take into account all of the details of
> your particular situation and this forum was not intended for such. The
> point is this, there can be times when it is better accelerate taxable
> income if doing so can keep more of your money in a lower effective tax
> bracket.
> Good luck,
> Gene E. Utterback, EA


  #-1  
Old 08-27-2003, 08:59 PM
Gene E. Utterback, EA
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Which Monies First

"FranksPlace2" <franksplace2[at]email.com> wrote in message
news:d6bbed5b.0308250924.5ba6ff0d[at]posting.google.com...
- quote -

> I plan to retire in about a year and start withdrawing my savings and
> retirement money for expenses. I don't expect my tax rate to go down
> as now I will have a lot more time to spend money.
> I have always planned to use my aftertax savings first; they will last
> about 18 months. Afterwards I will draw on my tax deferred accounts.
> My rule is always defer taxes.
> Recently an advisor suggested I draw on the tax deferred acounts
> first, reserving the aftertax money. I did not understand why.
> Why would that be better?
> Frank


First, you should ask your advisor what his reasoning is, then see if you
agree with it.

Depending on the facts and circumstances of the case at point, it can be
advantageous to draw on the deferred money earlier if doing so will get some
of it taxed at a lower rate. You didn't mention specifics, so I'll make
some up - Let's suppose you need $5,000 per month to live on, will be 69
this year, and are single with no dependents and don't itemize. You have
$90,000 in after tax investments and $500,000 in tax deferred investments.

1st year - you live on the after tax investments of $60K and have no tax
bill.

2nd year - you live half on tax deferred investments of $30K and pay
approximately $2900 in Federal tax. Your marginal bracket is 15%

from the 3rd year on - you live on $60K in deferred investments and pay
approximately $10,150 in Federal tax. Your marginal bracket is 27%

So for a 6 year period you'd have the following taxes:
Year 1 - $0
Year 2 - $2,900
Year 3 - $10,150
Year 4 - $10,150
Year 5 - $10,150
Year 6 - $10,150
Total - $43,500

Had you split your needs between thx deferred and after tax investments you
may have had the following:

6 Years of $15K in after tax money used and $45K in deferred money used -
result is $36,150 in taxable income with tax of $6,100 due in each year.

Times 6 years = $36,600 in total taxes.

OR about $6,900 less than if you followed your rule to always defer taxes.

Of course, this example does not take into account all of the details of
your particular situation and this forum was not intended for such. The
point is this, there can be times when it is better accelerate taxable
income if doing so can keep more of your money in a lower effective tax
bracket.

Good luck,
Gene E. Utterback, EA


 

Tags
monies
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Claim Education Cr AND Tuition Deduct - for different Monies?
xzebra06@aol.com: In the 2006 case where a below phase-out taxpayer pays out-of-pocket $14k of qualifying tuition for the same dependent-student (and all other...
Taxes 1 02-18-2007 11:14 AM
my w2 gross earnings do not include any monies
rayb: I just noticed that my w2 gross earnings do not include any monies that went into what the payroll girl calls a cafiteria plan. It is for any...
Taxes 11 04-01-2005 07:47 AM
Divorce with Retirement Monies
Ekaine Turner Grey: About fifteen years ago, my husband of 30 years and I divorced. As part of the divorce decree, I was to receive part of his retirement monies. ...
Taxes 1 01-25-2005 05:51 AM



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:14 AM.